Why Eddie Is Not So Great As Vai,satriani,malmsteen...

[Terry]

Vai and Satriani always left me cold. Great technical players, but no feeling.

I can't even bother comparing Ed and Yngwie, because they approach their playing differently. In terms of speed, Yngwie blows Ed away, no doubt.

Randy was great because his solos were compositions unto themselves. Listen to a lot of Eddie's solos on record, then listen to live boots. A lot of times Eddie doesn't do note-for-note live representations of his studio solos. I think he winged a lot of his solos, though he had many that were planned out.

Comparing guitarists is bullshit anyway, especially if it's based on speed.

An exceptional player in my book is one who comes out and redefines the intsrument. Hendrix, Van Halen and Segovia are three prime examples of that.

[Roth & Roll]

Originally posted by Terry
Vai and Satriani always left me cold. Great technical players, but no feeling.

I can't even bother comparing Ed and Yngwie, because they approach their playing differently. In terms of speed, Yngwie blows Ed away, no doubt.

Randy was great because his solos were compositions unto themselves. Listen to a lot of Eddie's solos on record, then listen to live boots. A lot of times Eddie doesn't do note-for-note live representations of his studio solos. I think he winged a lot of his solos, though he had many that were planned out.

Comparing guitarists is bullshit anyway, especially if it's based on speed.

An exceptional player in my book is one who comes out and redefines the intsrument. Hendrix, Van Halen and Segovia are three prime examples of that.

Exactly! Excellent points all around. However I would add Stevie Ray Vaughan to your list of Hendrix, EVH and Segovia. SRV definately redefined the way "Rock & Blues" guitar is played.

[tjvhou812]

Originally posted by sammycalderone
Eddie never has been so great as those musicians
HE IS GREAT ..ok
but he isn't on that level ..
Ed's creativity died around 1984
the last thing he came was the tapping harmonics (used live on HOT FOR TEACHER UK 1984) not on the 1984 album
but lots on the hagar albums
the other improvement was the drill on poundcake
ANYTHING SINCE THEN ...isnt new.
and im telling you the truth
GIRL GONE BAD 3:55 (listen) he does the same licks and things over and over...he has been doin since the 77 demos!!!!
Ive seen the letterman videos and lespaul tribute
and its no new thing like guitarists malsmsteen,vai or satriani creates all the time
Ed was cool Till 1984 AND im not telling this
cause dave left.
maybe dave left at the right time.
ED ISNT SO COOL
ITS WAY OVER RATED

let me tell you this mr. i dont know how to play guitar... becuase if you did you wouldnt even had posted this.. and anyone who replys to this and agree's they dont know what the fuck there talking about...
first of all vai is a rip off of sats.. and sats is a clone of edde...name one thing those guys did for guitar, you cant becuase there is none. eddie is technical.. you say eddie hasnt did nothing diffrent scence he been w/hagar, well if you had the fuck cd. you would know that he did a four finger tap on the solo to judgement day..if that aint creative i dont know what is mr. i dont know how to play giutar... vai and sats is great but dont i repeat dont compare them 2 the king...you dumb ass

[flappo]

..buddy guy , jeff beck and brian may , they are all better than vai and shitriani but they all acknowledge eddie's grateness

[GAR]

Mah butthole tickles.. wait, is that the brownsound kissing thru mah lower porthole or sompthin'????

[perticelli]

wow...nothing else left to do? now you're bashing Ed?

is Edison not the greatest inventor because he hasn't invented anything in decades? i mean he's dead and all, but that's your logic here.
c'mon, ed is a virtuoso, a prodigy and almost as perfect a player as there can be. This thread holds no merit for me.

[tjvhou812]

Originally posted by perticelli
wow...nothing else left to do? now you're bashing Ed?

is Edison not the greatest inventor because he hasn't invented anything in decades? i mean he's dead and all, but that's your logic here.
c'mon, ed is a virtuoso, a prodigy and almost as perfect a player as there can be. This thread holds no merit for me.

couldnt agree more......eddie has done more 4 giutar than satch and vai combined period

[DavidLeeNatra]

Originally posted by tjvhou812
eddie has done more 4 giutar than satch and vai combined period

especially the last ten years...

[Maggi]

not to be the smart ass here, but everybody that is not willing to accept that Joe Satriani is way superior in song writing and the most innovative guitar player than all other axemen named in this thread, must be either deaf or just plain ignorant.

just go, hit the books and educate yourselves, please

[DavidLeeNatra]

no wonder everyone is bashing ed for becoming a lazy (or lousy) guitar player...he played the keyboards on stage and let fatsam do the guitars...this is like michael schumacher driving a nissan while stevie wonder is driving the ferrari...I remember ed disappearing from the guitar polls after "1984" and becoming #1 in the keyborder rankings....good way to ruin your own legacy...

[pardo]

Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
no wonder everyone is bashing ed for becoming a lazy (or lousy) guitar player...he played the keyboards on stage and let fatsam do the guitars...this is like michael schumacher driving a nissan while stevie wonder is driving the ferrari...I remember ed disappearing from the guitar polls after "1984" and becoming #1 in the keyborder rankings....good way to ruin your own legacy...

Nice fuckin post man!

[Cathedral]

Great White Buffalo is a fav Nugent tune of mine, but that dude is way more than his playing anyhoo. see him live for an example.

Ed in the beginning stole a lot from ZZTop and his best stuff is far behind him. The only reason you cannot compare new to old is because the new stuff is basically the old stuff warmed over and re-arranged.
The reason I can't compare Ed to Vai and Satch is due to something I have believed since VHI....
Ed was more freestyle whalin in the early days while the other guys are more educated technically.
they simply aren't in the same class so comparison is futile.
Not to mention that you are bound to share similarities with those whome you saw as influences as Vai is confessed to have been by Ed. He was also heavily influenced if not more so by Satriani.

It's all about finding your own groove and they have all done that or they wouldn't be where they are today.

Ed was awesome in the beginning but not as an individual, as a whole with Roth. Any great influencial and ground breaking group is no larger than the sum of its parts. for an example of that just compare Van Halen to Van Hagar.

I like Paige in the studio and not so much live becasue he was sloppy live. But add Plant to the mix and it becomes complete, no larger than the sum of its parts and equally as entertaining.

[pardo]

Re: Why Eddie Is Not So Great As Vai,satriani,malmsteen...

Originally posted by sammycalderone
Eddie never has been so great as those musicians
HE IS GREAT ..ok
but he isn't on that level ..
Ed's creativity died around 1984
the last thing he came was the tapping harmonics (used live on HOT FOR TEACHER UK 1984) not on the 1984 album
but lots on the hagar albums
the other improvement was the drill on poundcake
ANYTHING SINCE THEN ...isnt new.
and im telling you the truth
GIRL GONE BAD 3:55 (listen) he does the same licks and things over and over...he has been doin since the 77 demos!!!!
Ive seen the letterman videos and lespaul tribute
and its no new thing like guitarists malsmsteen,vai or satriani creates all the time
Ed was cool Till 1984 AND im not telling this
cause dave left.
maybe dave left at the right time.
ED ISNT SO COOL
ITS WAY OVER RATED

Okay, I totally agree about Ed not comin up with much after '84. I don't think Ed using a drill could be considered an innovation. If thats his big guitar contribution during the Van Hagar years, thats sad. A 6 year old coulda done that! Not to mention that Paul Gilbert actually used it to PLAY the guitar some years befor.

Ed was doin the tapped harmonics as far back as VHII (intro to Women In Love). As for the Judgement Day solo - it was a hold over from Eds '84 table tray technique solo. Anyway, this isn't shit you people don't already know - just nobody spelled it out yet.

Anyway, in my opinion, its overly obvious that Ed didn't play as much guitar after '84. Back then he said he could pretty much play anything that popped into his head. He could hear somethin in his head and make it come out of his amp. You can't do that unless you're very attached to your guitar.

Then in the GW interview with Dwezil (sp) in like '95, he said all he does is try to squeeze licks out of boxes.

2 completely different approaches to the guitar.

And thats not even to mention how much his technique went down the crapper. He was a fast motherfucker - listen to his unaccompanied solo during the '84 tour! He could play a lot faster than he chose to in actual songs - he just knew what fit. Anyway, this is a completely different topic. Suffice it to say, his playing took a crap after '85.

I'll shut up.

[Cathedral]

LOL, that was a damned accurate assertion there, pardo..

Bravo...

[L.S.D.]

Originally posted by sammycalderone
Eddie never has been so great as those musicians
HE IS GREAT ..ok
but he isn't on that level ..
Ed's creativity died around 1984
the last thing he came was the tapping harmonics (used live on HOT FOR TEACHER UK 1984) not on the 1984 album
but lots on the hagar albums
the other improvement was the drill on poundcake
ANYTHING SINCE THEN ...isnt new.
and im telling you the truth
GIRL GONE BAD 3:55 (listen) he does the same licks and things over and over...he has been doin since the 77 demos!!!!
Ive seen the letterman videos and lespaul tribute
and its no new thing like guitarists malsmsteen,vai or satriani creates all the time
Ed was cool Till 1984 AND im not telling this
cause dave left.
maybe dave left at the right time.
ED ISNT SO COOL
ITS WAY OVER RATED

yeah, totally, the only reason that Eddie Van Halen could ever play guitar was becasue DLR taught him how to...........puke. You guys are fucking morons.