Real reason behind 2004 tour

[guwapo_rocker]

Re: Real reason behind 2004 tour

Originally posted by sadaist
For some reason, this thought just came to me the other day about the 2004 tour. The reason Ed squeezed so many shows into 1 summer, overcharged for tickets, and toured even though he & Sammy had to be seperated for at least the 2nd half of the tour.

This was the first tour in decades that Eddie got to keep 100% of his share. He was now officially seperated from Valerie. That means she can't get half. Even though they weren't divorced yet, once that seperation is legal, everything earned after does not get split.

Almost all of the money Eddie made in his career he had to split with her 50/50. I never saw anything about any settlements, but I'm sure she got half, and a sizable alimony & child support payment plan.

You're 10 years old right?

[PHOENIX]

Originally posted by sadaist
I don't think Dave would have done that tour anyways. He wouldn't tour just for money, which that tour was about. Dave wants to do it for the magic. The money is just a nice addition.

Are you kidding me?

Of course Dave would do it for the Money. Look at the Money he's making with his radio contract.

[cineman]

Sigh.

A: Val and Ed weren't divorced in 2004.

B: In divorce, all the assets are spit 50/50 in CA. After divorce, Ed will still have to pay a hefty alimony settlement every month.

C: This is the music BUSINESS. IF Ed, Dave, Sammy, Ozzy and every other frigging professional musician was in it for only the fun, they wouldn't have left their garage. They love money. They want more of it, every one of 'em. And every one of 'em goes on tour FOR the money. They may have fun too, but ask 'em to do 50 cities for free. See how they all answer.

This romantic notion that professional artists should be unconcerned with money, bills, their kids' college savings, personal travel/interests that cost money, is comical and so immature.

Why dont you go into work tomorrow and tell your boss instead of the raise you were going to get, you'd like to make less money.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by cineman
Sigh.

A: Val and Ed weren't divorced in 2004.

B: In divorce, all the assets are spit 50/50 in CA. After divorce, Ed will still have to pay a hefty alimony settlement every month.

C: This is the music BUSINESS. IF Ed, Dave, Sammy, Ozzy and every other frigging professional musician was in it for only the fun, they wouldn't have left their garage. They love money. They want more of it, every one of 'em. And every one of 'em goes on tour FOR the money. They may have fun too, but ask 'em to do 50 cities for free. See how they all answer.

This romantic notion that professional artists should be unconcerned with money, bills, their kids' college savings, personal travel/interests that cost money, is comical and so immature.

Why dont you go into work tomorrow and tell your boss instead of the raise you were going to get, you'd like to make less money.

Nice post.

It was a cash grab, and everyone needs cash. Problem is, they would have made ALOT more of it, had it been done with Roth. No arguing about that.

In the end, Ed has the NAME BRAND to do with as he sees fit. What's next?

[sadaist]

Originally posted by cineman
Sigh.

A: Val and Ed weren't divorced in 2004.

B: In divorce, all the assets are spit 50/50 in CA. After divorce, Ed will still have to pay a hefty alimony settlement every month.

C: This is the music BUSINESS. IF Ed, Dave, Sammy, Ozzy and every other frigging professional musician was in it for only the fun, they wouldn't have left their garage. They love money. They want more of it, every one of 'em. And every one of 'em goes on tour FOR the money. They may have fun too, but ask 'em to do 50 cities for free. See how they all answer.

This romantic notion that professional artists should be unconcerned with money, bills, their kids' college savings, personal travel/interests that cost money, is comical and so immature.

Why dont you go into work tomorrow and tell your boss instead of the raise you were going to get, you'd like to make less money.

No, they weren't. BUT they WERE legally seperated. As far as money earned after that, she gets none. Now, it might affect how much alimony she gets based on Eddies annual intake, but she is not entitled to 50% after the seperation is legal.

A lot of people get seperated but don't actually get a legal seperation. It's just one more thing for the courts & lawyers to dig into. But Ed & Val did get a leagal seperation. So as far as that tour was concerned...Val got nothing.

And yes, Dave likes money. Who doesn't? Dave would do a lot for money, but his one shot of getting the mighty VH back together, which he has been wanting for so long, I don't think he would cheapen that. I could be wrong, but Dave is the only one of them that understands the importance of what VH once was.

[light 'em up!]

Re: Real reason behind 2004 tour

Originally posted by sadaist
The reason Ed squeezed so many shows into 1 summer, overcharged for tickets, and toured even though he & Sammy had to be seperated for at least the 2nd half of the tour...

is because Ed knew deep down that it would be his final stand.

[sadaist]

Originally posted by light 'em up!
is because Ed knew deep down that it would be his final stand.

Sad but true. How will we all react later this year when we open the paper, or turn on the news to:
Eddie Van Halen - 1/26/1955-??/??/2006

[POJO_Risin]

Originally posted by cineman
Sigh.

A: Val and Ed weren't divorced in 2004.

B: In divorce, all the assets are spit 50/50 in CA. After divorce, Ed will still have to pay a hefty alimony settlement every month.

C: This is the music BUSINESS. IF Ed, Dave, Sammy, Ozzy and every other frigging professional musician was in it for only the fun, they wouldn't have left their garage. They love money. They want more of it, every one of 'em. And every one of 'em goes on tour FOR the money. They may have fun too, but ask 'em to do 50 cities for free. See how they all answer.

This romantic notion that professional artists should be unconcerned with money, bills, their kids' college savings, personal travel/interests that cost money, is comical and so immature.

Why dont you go into work tomorrow and tell your boss instead of the raise you were going to get, you'd like to make less money.

This is one of the finest posts I've seen in awhile...

This conversation does get old here...

Dave is all about the money. It's the main reason why Van Halen hasn't toured with Dave since 2000...and I don't care what the Lyin' Dutchman say...about how Dave acts...sure...that plays a part...but when you get the lawyers involved...and one lawyer is saying two guys get 70%...and the other two split 30%...well...

and make no bones about it...that's what's held it up in the past...

spED said so much in 2001 or 2...when he said...lawyers got involved...

and Dave said the same thing...

what about?

lmfao...

how about...

Dave's Lawyer: Look, I'm not seeing the magic...

spED's Lawyer: Alright, we can promise you some Harry Potter at the next meeting...

Dave's Lawyer: Dave wants Houdini...

spED's Lawyer: Houdini's dead...we can get you Copperfield

Dave's Lawyer: Dave's already fucked his bitches...

[POJO_Risin]

Seriously here folks...pull your heads out of the freakin' "Wonderland Bag of Magic"

The bottom line is this...

Egos and Money...and not in that order per se...

Both have Big Egos...

Both want the dollar bills (with it comes some sort of credit creedence...if you make more...your the reason the band exists...even if it's intrinsic...hence...inflating the ego)...

So who has the power right now? spED...even for those that say he NEEDS Dave?...

Why? Yeah...he splits things 50/50...before...or after the tour...but folks...even if Warner screwed VH out of serious cash...with residuals...even bare minimum residuals...none of these fuckers are really going to be "hurting" for money. Christ...they live their lives off of "projected residuals" anyways...

so when you hear that Dave's in money trouble...realize that means a whole lot different than what we see as money trouble...

It's all about the Assets in shit like this...where you have essentially 2 guys that really don't like each other much (no matter what any of them say...), it comes down to ego and cash...

So you need to ensure one, to get the other...

[sadaist]

It is definitely about money to a point. No way Dave is going to do it and get less than everyone else. I'll bet Mike didn't even get half of what each sister took from that tour. And they would probably offer Dave the same or less.

What they don't realize, if they give up some of their share to Dave, they think "fuck, I'm losing money". But in reality, a Dave tour will bring in huge amounts of money over a Sammy tour. So in the end they actually make more.

Eddie just can't come to terms with how important Dave is.

I'd like to throw a brick at Eddie.

[POJO_Risin]

I rip on spED a lot...

but why shouldn't he at least THINK he should get more...

it is HIS name...

he has been with the band from the start...

and does consider it HIS band...

I'm not saying he's right...

but can see where he's coming from...

and look...there's no harsher critic of spED than I...

[sadaist]

I agree with that. His name, his band, his sound. But he needs to actually use his brain. Bigger percentage with Sammy tour or smaller percentage with Dave tour. He would still make more money with a Dave tour.

[DavidLeeNatra]

Originally posted by POJO_Risin
I rip on spED a lot...

but why shouldn't he at least THINK he should get more...

it is HIS name...

he has been with the band from the start...

and does consider it HIS band...

I'm not saying he's right...

but can see where he's coming from...

and look...there's no harsher critic of spED than I...

100% right...it's always the same...you start as a band and as equals and with the time it starts..."hey, I wrote more than you...but I organize all the concerts...me played two notes louder...I drive the car...I fuck the girls...blah blah..."

I expierienced it myself and saw it many times with other bands or theater crews...it's like a virus infection...once it's there you'll never get rid of it again...

[POJO_Risin]

And then...you're in your 50's...and we can only speculate on this...but it's not that hard to do...

and you have the money...the cars...the house...the kid...and have led the life...

and you ask yourself (and you know spED does...probably every day), "is it worth it to get back together with Dave one more time when I can't stand the guy, and can't stand what he brings to MY band. I mean...he thinks it's HIS!"

You know he asks himself this question...or he'd never have have done the 96 deal...or the 2000 deal...

You just have to wonder if he just doesn't think it would be easier to do whatever he wants to do...after all his struggles with personal demons over the past 7-8 years...even if it means not making any more money...to not have to put up with the ???'s and the perceived hastle of a Dave return...

and if it WORKS with Dave...

who takes the heat for all the years they WEREN'T together?

[POJO_Risin]

Again...I don't know if I agree with that thinking...

but I'm not spED...and don't pretend to be in his position or his shoes...

What's best for Joe Public...isn't necesarily best for the people Joe Public wants to see...