Why doesn't Dave...

[guwapo_rocker]

Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
He was an employee to VH back in 96. He was NOT a full partner, he made salary. he describes this in the book.

I'm referring to a band that ended in '85.

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by guwapo_rocker
I'm sure Dave did a lot of ass kissing to get all of the new songs

they did down. But everyone has limits. Who knows what was

said. Remember how we all slagged Hagar for doing the last tour

on three new songs?? Touring on a best of album??

Would you want to see Dave do that?? The ultimate sellout,

the money grab, remember?? We all said it. And that was probably

what was being proposed to Dave. Furthermore, do you think Dave

should do a tour as an EMPLOYEE of Van Halen?? That was probably

one of the offers as well. I sure as shit don't want to see any of that.

I want to see a new record and a Van Halen tour with Van Halen.

Not a best of with a few new songs, and the Van Halen sisters

touring with two employees, Dave and Mike.

There has to be give and take in everything as well as compromise.

I think Dave has done his share of giving.

I have to agree with this

[Romeo Delight]

No one wants a reunion more than me, but not on any terms other than Roth being in exactly the same position as before, as an equal partner in the adventure.

Remember, that is why we are all here at this site.

The music was as good as it was because it was real...made with arguments and real collaboration (although some members contributed more than others)

They don't have to love each other for it to work, but Dave has to at least be an equal in the venture or the end result will suffer.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Terry
I suppose if Roth wants the reunion and the payday enough, maybe he will just agree to whatever Ed wants...but CBS is a corporation. It is expected that corporations don't behave honorably. Van Halen is a brand name that Roth helped build. Dave should expect better treatment from the Van Halens than he does CBS, because Roth seems to realize (even if EVH doesn't) that it took all four members of CVH to make the band what it was.

Whatever it has devolved into now, it wasn't the Eddie Van Halen show when Dave was in the band.

Bingo.

And, on a sidenote?

Every single fucking VH song on Dave's tired-old set list is CVH. He wrote them. They're the songs that make the whole world sing. He also had the greatest guitar player on the planet working out arrangements for 'em.

You have to cuntsider the aspect of creating songs that last FOREVER. The shit get's played as much as anything else on classic rock playlists here, as well as Zambuta.

I mean, the nature of having calf-killing yahoos' in the Italian cuntryside rocking the fuck out to EWS is incredible. I would suggest that we know nothing about the deep-seeded feelings involved with burying the hatchet after all those years, when they're still rocking the fuck out to it.

Point is, neither party is starving, and money just plants the seeds deeper.

IMO, Dave will never kiss EVH's ass.

[Terry]

Originally posted by rustoffa
Bingo.

And, on a sidenote?

Every single fucking VH song on Dave's tired-old set list is CVH. He wrote them. They're the songs that make the whole world sing. He also had the greatest guitar player on the planet working out arrangements for 'em.

You have to cuntsider the aspect of creating songs that last FOREVER. The shit get's played as much as anything else on classic rock playlists here, as well as Zambuta.

I mean, the nature of having calf-killing yahoos' in the Italian cuntryside rocking the fuck out to EWS is incredible. I would suggest that we know nothing about the deep-seeded feelings involved with burying the hatchet after all those years, when they're still rocking the fuck out to it.

Point is, neither party is starving, and money just plants the seeds deeper.

IMO, Dave will never kiss EVH's ass.

I hope he doesn't. And I think agreeing to do it for less than what the sisters get is tantamount TO him kissing Ed's ass.

Seems like they want Dave to put on a display of meekness and humility and make an attempt to submerge his ego; in short, to be something he isn't.

CVH ain't gonna work with Roth being anything other than what he is.

[Dirty Duck]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Why doesn't Dave

just kiss Ed's ass and get $1,ooo,ooo a show with Van Halen again? He's willing to kiss CBS's ass for $8 million in 2 years? wtf?

Good point....But It's Eddie not Dave...

Eddie wants nothing to do with Roth....period.

[Dirty Duck]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Why doesn't Dave

just kiss Ed's ass and get $1,ooo,ooo a show with Van Halen again? He's willing to kiss CBS's ass for $8 million in 2 years? wtf?

Good point....But It's Eddie, not Dave...

Eddie wants nothing to do with Roth....period.

[Dirty Duck]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Why doesn't Dave

just kiss Ed's ass and get $1,ooo,ooo a show with Van Halen again? He's willing to kiss CBS's ass for $8 million in 2 years? wtf?

Good point....But It's Eddie, not Dave...

Eddie wants nothing to do with Roth....period.

[thome]

Maybe CVH and VHH is cooked maybe Dave could pick a new line up and just Rock..?

I just don't care about Dave and Ed anymore ......today..?

Dave was, Hagar wasn't

Dave gets new band one track on album guest guitarist Ed.Who cares.?

The Ed /Dave conbo will be great When and If,.

Dave is the Man Ed's his guitar Player to me (one of the greatest).

But esentially it's the (1)Singer the (2)Music then the (3)Band.

[Dirty Duck]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Im also sure Dave knows he DID bring some of this shit on himself. C'mon, as much as we all admire Dave, the man has his faults. Holy Christ. He's been pegged time and time again as not being easy to work with. His ego is always in the way. he takes charge and control of every musical project he dips his hands into and for once I suggest that the fuckin' guy just stop slandering the former bandmates long enough to produce an album and 3 month tour. I dont suggest for one second he bend and break for Ed and Al, but realistically, RIGHT NOW, he's bending and breaking for CBS, not his former rock band and high school chums.

Out of all the people in the world for Dave to cave into, I wasn't expecting it to be a bunch of fuckin' no name suits for a SMALL paycheck.

What some might cuntsider a sell-out approach of "taking the money and run", I'd like to think he deserves the $1 million a show and It's About Time Dave got it.

Dave reuniting with the sisters = selling out?

Dave kissing CBS's ass = a good business decision?

I dont think so. And Im calling him out on it.

The fans deserve to know, after hanging on to every fucking word he's let drop out since '78...

Sammy might be a fat, Cabo Wabo, Tequila selling cock-smoking shill, but for better or for WORSE he gave some of his fans a glimpse of some VH in 2004. And got paid well.

Dave being admirable and honest is getting him a shitty payday, handcuffs and restrictions on what he can say or do with his creativity and alienating a long standing CVH fanbase.

Some shit has to be sad.

Well written....

[throatrocket]

This is as good as this place gets! Great thread!

[WOAHYEAH]

Can't wait to hear that phonecall.

My only term, is that Dave Roth grows out the blonde hair! :D