Why do so many fans want Michael Anthony in the lineup?

[hideyoursheep]

Originally posted by Rikk
Isn't that a Van Cherone song??

How would I know?

I've never seen or heard Survivor

[conmee]

I don't know if I'll call this a disagreement, but I think it's the first time in SEVEN years that Brownsound and I don't quite see eye to eye, sort of... lol

There are a couple different dimensions to this whole reunion which affect how I feel about it.

And let me add the disclaimer that I'm not so appalled that I'm "boycotting" or trying to convince people not to go... even if I don't go. lol

Ok..

1) Primary for me was a FULL REUNION.... 1996 confirmed for me that the magic was still there, not just to run through a set of oldies, but to crank out some new material. I was stoked, I was ready... then... EDDIE DID IT!! The fax heared 'round the world... Edward lost his marbles and things haven't been the same since. But, again, for me I have been holding out for a full reunion because IT CAN STILL HAPPEN! No one is dead, hell can freeze over, and they can all get on stage together. That's part of the frustration.

2) DLR and Edward were 99% of the creative force, .75% for Alex and .25% for MA. Agree 100% that these guys are really what it's all about, from a purely mathematical standpoint. But, all four together brings to the party something that any combination other than the original can't. And it's not just backing vocals. In this sense I agree with Brownsound, consider this DLR with special guests, the Van Halens as his backing band.

3) The fact that since 1996 (and beyond) the fans have had hopes raised and dashed by Edward. Sure I've taken it a little personal. But not so much so that it runs my life or I'm even in the Top 1000 posters at any DLR/VH site. But I know enough when it's a pure money grab and Edward is playing on the anticipation and emotion of the fanbase. That really doesn't sit well with me... enough so that I really don't have a strong desire to see this lineup. Do I still recall the magic of DLR and Edward on stage? Certainly! But as I've said before, even though no one is holding a gun to DLR's head, something's rotten about this whole thing. Doesn't seem to be on DLR's terms at all. It's not just the selection of Wolfie, but the underwhelming press release, the conspicuous lack of marketing and full blown in your face doin' it right firing up the fan base. Seems more like just another bad idea that Edward has to fuel and stoke his ego, insecurities, etc, by including his son.

4) If 3/4ths were serious about this, they would have brought in Billy Sheehan or a professional of VH-caliber and if not recorded a new album before touring, would at least hint at something new, depending on the success of the tour. It's not that I'm anti-Wolfgang, but I would be at least 50% more psyched about this if legitimate and well-founded gripes about MA were mentioned by Edward and he said he'd replaced MA with a quality professional. Keep it business-like with a focus on delivering the best concert experience for the fans. Instead, he has all sorts of real and perceived slights from MA, and half the shit he complains about with MA, he's done himself. Edward has recycled/hired/fired so-called brothers for life as singers, pretty much lied/insulted/cut down everyone associated with the band at one point in time... whether it was bashing Templeman's production, any of the various band managers, singers, other musicians, the guy is psycho.

So at the end of the day, I don't disagree that DLR and Edward are the important parts. I won't even fault anyone for seeing the show or shows.

But for me, going to this show doesn't support DLR so much as it gives Edward the confidence to foist more manure on the fanbase. And the more successful the tour, the more convinced Edward will be that he knows best. I don't want to fuel that delusion or be an enabler for ongoing lunacy from Edward.

When I started out many many years ago searching for like souls with a love of all things Classic Van Halen and David Lee Roth, my dream was simply to see all four back together. Or a DLR solo record. I never ONCE even considered 3/4ths.

So that's it for me. I'm not boycotting anything, I'm just not going. I'm just as unsure that I want to see something that will in any way diminish my memories of the original. If Brownsound goes and tells me, "Icon, you fool, it was great! Don't worry about Wolfgang," maybe I'll consider going. But if it in any way sucks, I don't want a shitty tour to even share the same memory bank as the fond memories I have when they were kings.

That's all.

Carry on.

Icon.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by Rikk
No offense, MAX...you're my very good friend and you know that.

But this woman has started more fights for you than you've ever needed...all in the name of "sticking up" for you. Hell, you and I have fought more than once because she was "sticking up" for you.

LOUNGE is one of the biggest class acts here, he ain't here "24/7" as you say...and even if he were...who gives a fuck?

You're right, though...save it for the sheep.

"This woman" isn't prone to fights and hasn't fought with anyone since YOU LEFT. I was not fighting with Lounge. YOU stuck your nose in and called it a fight. YOU even mentioned the F__ Wars. How fucking dumb is that? It was nothing like that at all. Anyone with half a brain can see that.

And I was NOT sticking up for Max, I was commenting on something that Lounge said that I thought had to do with anyone/everyone who is going to a show. So stop trying to stir shit where there isn't any.

And as for wanting drama...speak for yourself you fucking drama queen. I don't want it at all and you are clearly the one trying to create it here.

[Rikk]

Originally posted by diamondsgirl
"This woman" isn't prone to fights and hasn't fought with anyone since YOU LEFT. I was not fighting with Lounge. YOU stuck your nose in and called it a fight. YOU even mentioned the F__ Wars. How fucking dumb is that? It was nothing like that at all. Anyone with half a brain can see that.

And I was NOT sticking up for Max, I was commenting on something that Lounge said that I thought had to do with anyone/everyone who is going to a show. So stop trying to stir shit where there isn't any.

And as for wanting drama...speak for yourself you fucking drama queen. I don't want it at all and you are clearly the one trying to create it here.

I really don't care.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by conmee

But if it in any way sucks, I don't want a shitty tour to even share the same memory bank as the fond memories I have when they were kings.

That's all.

Carry on.

Icon.

Good point. A risk I'm willing to take, and maybe foolishly, but I totally understand where you're coming from.

Hopefully, Brownsound will report back with good news and we can talk about the show first hand.

:cheers:

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by Rikk
I really don't care.

then shut the fuck up and butt the fuck out. K?

[Rikk]

Originally posted by diamondsgirl
then shut the fuck up and butt the fuck out. K?

MAX is my friend. LOUNGE is my friend.

I don't care your reasons, or your opinions, or what's unnameable around here...or who's been doing what to MAX or whatever.

Don't tell me to shut the fuck up, woman. I listen only to friends...and I back 'em up.

[Rikk]

Originally posted by hideyoursheep
How would I know?

I've never seen or heard Survivor

What a winner.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by Rikk
MAX is my friend. LOUNGE is my friend.

I don't care your reasons, or your opinions, or what's unnameable around here...or who's been doing what to MAX or whatever.

Don't tell me to shut the fuck up, woman. I listen only to friends...and I back 'em up.

sounds like something out of Days of Our Lives

can we get back to talking about DLR now? I'm not sure if you've heard, but he's about to go on tour with EVH. :D

[Rikk]

Originally posted by diamondsgirl
sounds like something out of Days of Our Lives

THIS is the best soap opera in existence...


Anyway, soap operas usually involve relationships..and...

Originally posted by diamondsgirl
can we get back to talking about DLR now?

Oh, you're done protecting VH fans from LOUNGE? Cool.

Originally posted by diamondsgirl
I'm not sure if you've heard, but he's about to go on tour with EVH.

Yeah...I kinda picked up on that.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by Rikk
THIS is the best soap opera in existence...

agreed

Anyway, soap operas usually involve relationships

.

agreed :D

Oh, you're done protecting VH fans from LOUNGE? Cool.

wasn't protecting anyone or fighting anyone, just disagreeing with something he said

Yeah...I kinda picked up on that.

he's an ugly mugga fugga :D

[LoungeMachine]

Oh my Gawd....

Can we all put our ovaries in check, grab a juice box, and chillthefuckout?

Max and you are on one side of the fence....

Rikk and I are on the other side of the fence.....

And Dave is trying to light the fence on fire......

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Oh my Gawd....

Can we all put our ovaries in check, grab a juice box, and chillthefuckout?

Max and you are on one side of the fence....

Rikk and I are on the other side of the fence.....

And Dave is trying to light the fence on fire......

theres lots of people on each side of the fence throwing shit back and forth.... not a big deal at all

[Rikk]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Oh my Gawd....

Can we all put our ovaries in check, grab a juice box, and chillthefuckout?

Max and you are on one side of the fence....

Rikk and I are on the other side of the fence.....

And Dave is trying to light the fence on fire......

Abso-fucking-lutely, my friend.

First off, here's a drink or two...



To David Lee Roth...the toastmaster general.

[Rikk]

Originally posted by diamondsgirl
theres lots of people on each side of the fence throwing shit back and forth.... not a big deal at all

Yeah, but most do it without fighting.

Although, ICON and WARF looked like they were going to offer eachother uncalled-for-remarks at one point...:p