Van Halen removes Michael Anthony from Song writing credits!

[SATAN BUSH]

Originally posted by DLR'sCock
You know what man, please keep screaming at the wall, and you can form your own little band, and do whatever you want, and I will be in agreement with most songwriters and musicians in the real world.


BTW, I want Mike on the tour..........also if Mike agreed to sign away his writing credits for 1984 then that his choice, and a DUMB move, and he pretty much figured in his head that he didn't write anything either.


Would another musician or songwriter in these forums please explain to this raving lunatic what I am talking about?

later, I'm going out....

I can pull examples out all day.

At what point does the bassline BECOME part of the written song? What is the "definition" then when a bassline actually is given "CREDIT" as being part of the written song? When it becomes complicated or catchy? That makes NO sense.


Here's an example...Rush's "Freewill." Take out the bass solo. Most of the bassline follows the guitar, plus a few fills that follow the drums. Does this make Geddy no longer a songwriter of the music?? By YOUR definition, only CERTAIN songs can the bass player be given credit for writing the song.

Hmmm....Rush's "Bravado" (a horrible song) has a terribly boring bassline. So, Geddy MUST NOT HAVE written the music on that song, right?

Your argument is BASELESS. No pun intended.


If you state, "Well Geddy's a great bass player, so that's different" basing his amazing basswork during guitar solos on older material, then your argument FURTHER holds no water. For, Michael Anthony's basslines during the guitar solos in "Source of Infection," the live version of "So This Is Love" from Oakland posted above, and the live bass during the solo on the version of "Eruption" from Oakland is equally as impressive.


Just because YOU may think Michael Anthony's basslines aren't impressive TO YOU does NOT mean that they aren't part of the WRITTEN SONG.

[Nickdfresh]

In CVH, Mike was told how to play by Ted Templeman. He was the understated base of bass for Ed to showcase his guitar on. I do think Anthony was integral to Van Halen, but let's not overstate his presence or relevance to the written material. He wrote nothing and only figured out his arrangement, that doesn't make him a song writer and ASCAP would fucking laugh you out of their offices for such presumptions..

The bottom line, Ed is a cunt for getting rid of Mike credits on 1984 - BUT, I think Mike is still getting paid for those songs, as much as he is for any other.

And BTW, Ed has heaped scorn on Dave in the past, as being nothing more than a lyricist, which does not make him a "song writer" either. Jim Steinman is a "songwriter," Ed writes riffs, Dave writes words, and Mike and Alex figured out how they were too accompany the tune...

[Warham]

Mike's still getting a performer's credit for all 1984 sales, as far as I can figure out, but it's about half of what he used to get.

In the case of who writes the songs, I usually consider the melody to be the main staple. I don't believe Mike had any substantial role in writing any of the melodies for any Van Halen song. I also don't consider a bass lick here or there to be a worthy of a songwriting credit.

[TOM_5150]

Don't worry, MA has plenty of cash in his wallet to bitch slap everyone of his fans.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by SATAN BUSH
If you are DEAF, or seemingly musically unaware, check out Michael Anthony's basslines to ..."Source of Infection" during the guitar solo, the great overbearing slides in "Get Up,"

What is this some sort of cruel and unusual punishment for what you call the 'musically unaware'?

Not so bad I guess for the deaf people...

[SATAN BUSH]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
What is this some sort of cruel and unusual punishment for what you call the 'musically unaware'?

Not so bad I guess for the deaf people...

Your ignorance is astounding. Besides the fact that you had to edit what I posted to only include those tunes...

The bass playing in those two songs, "Source of Infection" especially, is outstanding. You see, my prior posts in this thread regarded Michael Anthony's BASS PLAYING. The singer within the realm of the purpose of my posts on this thread was irrelevant...YOU are as well.

But, your fanboi sheep-ism can't let you HEAR that.

[Jim Shetterlini]

Originally posted by DLR'sCock
I don't know if you are a songwriter or not, but I am, and I can pretty much write a full song in my head and come up with the basic beats, riffs, melodies, lyrics, dynamics, etc etc by myself, no problem, but I do require players that are much better than me on guitar and drums to actualize the songs.


I have also been in many band situations when someone else wrote a song, and I added bass lines and backing vocals, harmony voclas, to the song that was pretty much written on guitar, with a vocal melody, lyric and all before hand. I consider those songs to be songs written by said songwriter, not me.

I have also been in bands when it was clear that multiple parties including myself took part in the writing.

It all depends on the situation. Having a good tone or sound, is not writing, and adding nuances to a written song is not writing.


You really don't know how it works do you? If Mike came up with the Riffs first, then he is writing, if he comes up with riffs or chord changes that are used then he is writing,........ for but if Mike is simply playing his simple bass line that is working off an already written riff then he is not. Now if a bass player writes a bass line that is truly intricate to the song, and comes out of nowhere, ala say Geddy lines, then he is writing.

I have a unique perspective on this that I play bass, my main instrument and I sing, but when I write I write on my guitar at home.


A song is defined by the music ie chords and changes and arrangements, VOCAL melody being that the vocals are for the most part the most important part of a song, and the lyric.


You can call other people idiots all you want, but it is what it is.



Mike was never a writer in the band, and it is fairly well documented and understood amongst the world.


The only album is taken off of is 1984, where he pretty much is just pedaling the root note of the chords.

once again, explained only in a way someone actually in the business could explain what is going on here. If a certain individual would read this without being blinded by all the hatred maybe it would sink in...

[SATAN BUSH]

Originally posted by Jim Shetterlini
once again, explained only in a way someone actually in the business could explain what is going on here. If a certain individual would read this without being blinded by all the hatred maybe it would sink in...

"Someone actually in the business." Um, yeah. The BIG old music business....in New Jersey, home of all that is music. Right.


NEXT.

[naturochem]

Originally posted by jharp84
I remember from my "earlier" years hearing how Ed was always one of the "nicest" guys! in music(whatever you call it!), that is one reason I was really taken by how he turned into such a "jag-off" since the split!!

Anyone remember when Ed supposedly nearly kicked the shit out of Alex Lifeson in a bar??

No offense, but what really "nice" guy would want to fuck up a faggy guy like Lifeson?? 'Tho he'd probably give Ed quite the sumo match these days, fat fuck that he is!! Good guitar player, but a bit gay you've got to admit...

I've heard that Ed was always anti-social, and very uncomfortable communicating unless he did so using an instrument -- I believe this is quite evident on many interviews I've heard... Can't help that the fucker has been in a two-decade+ alcohol induced stupor either...

Hey, the dude is still the most influential guitar player the world has seen (he certainly was for me..), but nice?? I don't think "Ed" & "nice" have been used frequently in the same sentence...

[Jim Shetterlini]

Originally posted by SATAN BUSH
"Someone actually in the business." Um, yeah. The BIG old music business....in New Jersey, home of all that is music. Right.


NEXT.

Are you intimate with Mike, because seriously dude your posts come across as a guy sticking up for his girlfriend after she didn't make prom queen....We get it Mike wrote, recorded, engineered, produced, pressed the discs, shipped, stocked the shelves, and rang up every god damn thing VH put out....right!

[PlexiBrown]

One time I thought that EVH was going to punch Mr. Hanky but then he handed him a Snickers bar instead.

[naturochem]

Originally posted by PlexiBrown
One time I thought that EVH was going to punch Mr. Hanky but then he handed him a Snickers bar instead.

[letsrock]

The brothers are dicks.

[kamaboko]

I imagine after divorcing his wife, Ed blacked out her face on all the family pictures. LOL. I'm sure Alex followed suit. Wankers, the both of them.

I agree with BB, going to the effort to erase MA from 30 years of service is absolute shit. Furthermore, Ed could have picked up any bass player over the stretch of 30 years. Hell, tossing his kid into the mix is proof enough of that.

[DLR'sCock]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh


And BTW, Ed has heaped scorn on Dave in the past, as being nothing more than a lyricist, which does not make him a "song writer" either. Jim Steinman is a "songwriter," Ed writes riffs, Dave writes words, and Mike and Alex figured out how they were too accompany the tune...

Ed and Dave are the team that write the songs together being that Ed wrote riffs, Dave wrote vocal melodies and lyrics over those riffs and Dave and Ed pretty much worked out most of the arrangements together. I am pretty sure Dave had alot to do with coming up with the backing vocals.

FYI, when it boils down to it $$$$ wise with publishing, as far as I know, the publishing money is broken down this way.


First 50% goes to "who owns the publishing" and the other 50% goes to the songwriter(s).

Songwriting is broken down this way technically when it comes this way...for the $$$$

50% is lyrics and 50% is music...


of course each band can work out their own deal.....