Billy Sheehan approached 5 separate times to join VH

[Vinnie Velvet]

And said music that had been written before Roth bailed was enough to cause Dave to lose interest upon hearing it.

Yup.

I think Ed had 'Dreams' and played it for Dave. I bet he rolled his eyes upon hearing the synth intro.

[Carloscda]

Hot Summer Nights is the only song i go back to on 5150 and jam. Imagine what it could have been with Dave's lyrics and vibe.

Hot Summer nights is nothing but Beautiful Girls, A Dave track all the way!
It would be cool if VH did not only Behind the music but also Classic Albums.
Would be real interesting to hear all the "Real" behinds the scenes stuff.

[Terry]

I think Ed got so full of himself that he thought he could put anyone in Van Halen and it still would work. Ed is a drunk who lives in the moment and he's also a creative type. Ed gets drunk and bored of the same lineup. Oh, let's can someone and replace them with the flavor of the month. I think that's how Ed's mind works. Ed would have canned Sheehan to put Wolfie in the band as well and then Ed probably would say Wolf is already as good or better than Sheehan. Pass the Loon. I'm thirsty and Matt, score some more crystal meth or your butt kissing ass is fired!

I think he certainly subscribed to that mindset in 1996 with the pick of Cherone; "hey, it worked for a little while with Sammy, so I'll bet I can put whoever in the frontman slot and it'll still work...after all this BOV1 biz blows over, nobody will give a shit about Dave."

Van Halen 3 barely going gold must have been a wake-up call. The under-attended 2004 Van Hagar tour must have reinforced the notion that settling for Hagar a second time wasn't gonna work, either.

[Terry]

Can't deny that, Terry. I'm subjective but........it was Roth and Ed, period.

You know drummer bullshit and although Alex isn't Peart, his sound and his groove drove that band. I've always been a fan but I never realized how much of an impact Roth had on the musical direction or evolution of the band's sound or how much he was responsible for it. I bought into the hype, the persona of Diamond Dave......then I heard 5150........if that's what Van Halen without Dave sounds like.......well, the only thing that changed was Spammy joined the band. 3/4th of the band was intact and the boy genius, the serious musician was now free to write anything that he could imagine.

The proof is in the pudding, so to speak.

To give Alex his due, he and Ed fit well together...as well they should after having played together so many years. One doesn't need to be a Peart/Bozzio/technician supreme in order to fit well in a band as a drummer. Shit, Charlie Watts is a perfect fit for the Stones, and he doesn't display lightning-speed fills or any such thing.

AVH wasn't a slouch, either. Stuff like Outta Love Again, Light Up The Sky, Girl Gone Bad...the man could play.

[kwame k]

To give Alex his due, he and Ed fit well together...as well they should after having played together so many years. One doesn't need to be a Peart/Bozzio/technician supreme in order to fit well in a band as a drummer. Shit, Charlie Watts is a perfect fit for the Stones, and he doesn't display lightning-speed fills or any such thing.

AVH wasn't a slouch, either. Stuff like Outta Love Again, Light Up The Sky, Girl Gone Bad...the man could play.

The older I get the more I appreciate guys like Charlie Watts, always been a Stones fan and love playing drums to Watts.

Alex was one of my earliest influences, one of the few I bothered to learn note for note.

[jhale667]

...I'm going to have to disagree with most of you here and say I'd love to hear what VH would sound like with Sheehan. Acrobatics aside, he's one of the most solid bassists on the planet. I think a better rhythm section would (likely) challenge EVH, not hinder him...
There's a NAMM video floating around of Ed and Billy jamming from several years ago, and it sounds pretty cool, actually...

[Carloscda]

I head a boot from like 82 and during Mikes solo he was playing ED's intro of Dancing in the streets. Playing it just as Ed did!

[Nitro Express]

I think he certainly subscribed to that mindset in 1996 with the pick of Cherone; "hey, it worked for a little while with Sammy, so I'll bet I can put whoever in the frontman slot and it'll still work...after all this BOV1 biz blows over, nobody will give a shit about Dave."

Van Halen 3 barely going gold must have been a wake-up call. The under-attended 2004 Van Hagar tour must have reinforced the notion that settling for Hagar a second time wasn't gonna work, either.

Not to mention Van Halen was extremely lucky it worked with Sammy. As big as Roth was how do you replace a guy like that and get away with it? I still have no idea why Van Hagar worked. The Cherone thing was a warthog fuck from the get go.

[hideyoursheep]

Not to mention Van Halen was extremely lucky it worked with Sammy. As big as Roth was how do you replace a guy like that and get away with it? I still have no idea why Van Hagar worked.

Attribute that to riding the 1984 wave. That brought a lot of fans out that didn't listen to them in the beginning. Why Can't This Be Dave was Jump v.2.

But Dreams? Fuck That.

Also noticed a lot more chorus saturation in Ed's sound...didn't like it....

Musically speaking there were a few good points on 5150, but that's it.

1984 is a classic album...5150 has been forgotten. Enough said.

[hideyoursheep]

OOOoooh Yeaaahhhh....


We can't get CVH on video unless it's a boot, but they sure rushed that Live Without A Singer video out fast enough!

Fuckers! They only had one album, and they had to do a live video with Spamloaf, just to showcase the new guy!

Pricks!


Whichever one of those homo's came up with the 5150 walk should be water-boarded!!!!

[hideyoursheep]

I'm pissed again!!!

Fuck Eddie!

[Top Jimmy]

If you want to hear how Billy sounds on VH,
go to The Joint in L.A. tomorrow night.

He's playing with Ray Luzier (DLR, Korn), Dizzy Reed (GnR)
and a buddy of mine, Happenin Harry....don't know who's on guitar yet..

[Carloscda]

OOOoooh Yeaaahhhh....


We can't get CVH on video unless it's a boot, but they sure rushed that Live Without A Singer video out fast enough!

Fuckers! They only had one album, and they had to do a live video with Spamloaf, just to showcase the new guy!

Pricks!


Whichever one of those homo's came up with the 5150 walk should be water-boarded!!!!

Never thought of that, Ain't that a B**ch!!
If not the 81 Oakland show which THEY know everyone wanted to see at least the 1984 show where MTV was filming for the Lost weekend with Van Halen!

[indeedido]

Not to mention Van Halen was extremely lucky it worked with Sammy. As big as Roth was how do you replace a guy like that and get away with it? I still have no idea why Van Hagar worked. The Cherone thing was a warthog fuck from the get go.

I think the luck came from MTVers carrying over I Can't Drive 55's success into the band. A lot of people had never heard of Hagar prior to that song.

[sonrisa salvaje]

I'm pissed again!!!

Fuck Eddie!

LOL. I hear you man. Go!