Any post-1984 Classic Van Halen???

[mikethemartian]

Before the band broke up in 1985 had they recorded any songs for a followup to 1984? If so, are any of them floating around?

[Panamark]

Yeah checkout 5150

[EbDawson]

Dave says Ed was too drunk to even make it down to the studio very much. Anything that was recorded was probably just riffs or pieces of songs minus lyrics. Some of this music evidently did became tunes on 5150 but those had Spammy's lyrics.

[Panamark]

Yeah thats what I meant.. I think theres many tunes on 5150 that were going to be on the next real Van Halen album. Obviously not the entire album. Can anyone in their right mind picture Dave agreeing to sing Dreams ??

But who knows, perhaps there is the Dave version of Summer Nights in the vault somewhere. Perhaps theres shit there that we have no idea about ?? Ed might be sitting on a friggin goldmine...

[Panamark]

Lets not forget the 2-5 songs (depending on who you believe) that was recorded in 2000.. Ok, the standard response is that they were in rough demo form only... If they are master tapes, thats nothing that cant be fixed (who says it hasnt been already ??)

Maybe Van Hagar will be Ed's last tour and they will unleash a new album of Dave on us... Hey, I could live with that...

[EbDawson]

Originally posted by Panamark
Lets not forget the 2-5 songs (depending on who you believe) that was recorded in 2000.. Ok, the standard response is that they were in rough demo form only... If they are master tapes, thats nothing that cant be fixed (who says it hasnt been already ??)

Maybe Van Hagar will be Ed's last tour and they will unleash a new album of Dave on us... Hey, I could live with that...

Well I wouldn't hold my breath. Ed has to all sorts of great shit in his vaults, demos, concert videos etc. of Dave stuff. He seems perfectly OK with letting the stuff gather dust and rot away. Dave said in a fairly recent interview that there's lots of stuff Ed could release if he wanted to. He would just rather be an asshole I guess. Where's Gene Simmons when you need him?

[Panamark]

Its probably his final nest egg, dude...

We will see it one day.. With the looks of things, it could
be sooner rather than later...

[PerryLane]

I can picture Dave originally singing Summer Nights, Best Of Both Worlds, 5150.. With his own lyrics and rap of course. I'm only imagining here, but it's possible. Would be cool to hear for sure.

[Panamark]

What I dont get is this. Wouldnt Dave also be entitled to copies of all this material ?? hmmmmmm. That fucks with your mind, hey !!

[PerryLane]

If he had em and had the rights to release em, I think he would've let us hear em. Ed's fucked that up for us.

[Panamark]

yeah, it has to be that.. I agree.. Dave cares too much about the fans.
But perhaps legally he is not allowed ? Because of some fucked up condition enforced by the brothers...

[EbDawson]

In the bootleg forum we've talked about the existence of a full legnth pro-shot VH concert from '84 (or earlier). There are bits and pieces we've seen like in the Panama video. This thing has to exist somewhere. Whether it's in Ed's vaults or somewhere at Warner Bros. maybe, who knows. It and any other audio bits of live concerts probably have to have all band members to agree to release them. Dave really hasn't pushed the issue and as long as Ed doesn't want them released then they aren't going to be. Sucks.

[Rikk]

I heard Pete Angelus took the footage with him when he was fired in 1985. I also would say that the PANAMA footage is no guarantee of an entire concert shot. The footage of the concert at the beginning is definitely from the 1984 tour. The other footage was shot in various places, including some rather contrived documentary footage (Ed at the piano, etc.). As for the concert footage, it's my opinion that the band had the crew at a soundcheck shooting the video part with the lip-syncing on stage, as well as the band members being strung across by a foot. Then, when the concert began, a couple of 16-mm got some shots of the show, including that night's performance of PANAMA. I very doubt this footage was footage of an entire PRO-SHOT show.

As for other PRO-SHOT shows that haven't surfaced, as much as I like the US FESTIVAL show, I still think the footage from Oakland (released in three videos for MTV) is tighter, and I would guess that these entire shows were shot.

It definitely is about time the band finally releases a PRO-SHOT concert from the band. I don't want a damn anthology release, because then we'll be stuck with some Dave footage (which we've probably all seen before) and a ton of Sammy footage. I would much rather see an entire show released, with DTS surround sound, backstage footage, etc. There is definitely unreleased PRO-SHOT footage from the WACF tour, which the band confirmed as they were working on "the ultimate tour documentary" at the time which was never released. Otherwise, release Oakland '81. And if that footage really isn't complete, then just give us a remastered and re-edited US FESTIVAL, with the sound remixed for surround sound, super-clear picture, etc. That would still be the shit. After all, as much as I don't like TRIUMPH, they just released a super version of their US FESTIVAL performance.

[FORD]

How many pro shot concerts have to exist out there. They released concert vids from Van HALEN II, so there has to be a whole show there. Oakland 81 is of course, legendary. The US Fest recorded officially for Showtime cable network (and at least 3 audio tracks from that one "remixed" and released to radio a few weeks after the show. And as far as unreleased audio goes, Legend has it that there was to be a Van HALEN live album released in 1982, but WB pulled the plug on the idea. It's possible that the Oakland 81 material could have been the source for that planned album, but it's not common for official live albums to come from just one show, so it's likely that other 81 shows were also recorded.

Wonder how far that album got before they axed it? Could there be a master tape in a WB vault somewhere?

(ATTN ANY LURKING WB EMPLOYEES. LEAK THAT BITCH AND PUT IT UP OVER AT STG!!)

[Bill Lumbergh]

Originally posted by Panamark
Yeah checkout 5150

Actually, don't!