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  • bigtrouble77
    Full On Cocktard
    • Jan 2004
    • 37

    #46
    I don't think the tone resembles anything close to the 6-pack classic brown sound. Those albums had a very organic sound that I have not heard since 1984. I remember listening to Best of Both Worlds after a CVH song and was amazed at how bad it sounded. Those mixes had much more reverb and the instruments had great separation.

    What I've noticed with this album is that the distortion sounds overblown... I did not notice this until I hooked it up to my studio monitors. It has the blown sound with clipping pops cleaned up. A very compressed sound.

    The bass always influences the guitar sound, and this album is no exception. The bass (understandably) is the highest in the mix that it's ever been. I think there's actually too much low end here to the point of being hard to hear some of the instrument separation. I hate to say it, but the mix is a little muddy in some places.

    Finally, the production feels a lot like Balance to me (never listened to vhIII). The guitar is heavier, the low end of the mix is way heavier, but the overall tone is very similar (especially with You and Your Blues). I would have preferred the use of more reverb and echo with a crunchier guitar tone, but what we got is pretty good. It's really the performances that makes this album so great and the production is good enough. Although, if I had my hand at mixing this album I would have done it much differently.

    Edit: I'm comparing this production and tone to the original six-pack sans Diver Down. Those are some of the best produced albums I've ever heard (VHII being my favorite). ADKOT is a great (modern) production, but it just does't compare to those 5 albums.
    Last edited by bigtrouble77; 02-04-2012, 10:29 PM.

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    • SNIPER
      Crazy Ass Mofo
      • Jun 2004
      • 2625

      #47
      Originally posted by bigtrouble77
      I don't think the tone resembles anything close to the 6-pack classic brown sound. Those albums had a very organic sound that I have not heard since 1984. I remember listening to Best of Both Worlds after a CVH song and was amazed at how bad it sounded. Those mixes had much more reverb and the instruments had great separation.

      What I've noticed with this album is that the distortion sounds overblown... I did not notice this until I hooked it up to my studio monitors. It has the blown sound with clipping pops cleaned up. A very compressed sound.

      The bass always influences the guitar sound, and this album is no exception. The bass (understandably) is the highest in the mix that it's ever been. I think there's actually too much low end here to the point of being hard to hear some of the instrument separation. I hate to say it, but the mix is a little muddy in some places.

      Finally, the production feels a lot like Balance to me (never listened to vhIII). The guitar is heavier, the low end of the mix is way heavier, but the overall tone is very similar (especially with You and Your Blues). I would have preferred the use of more reverb and echo with a crunchier guitar tone, but what we got is pretty good. It's really the performances that makes this album so great and the production is good enough. Although, if I had my hand at mixing this album I would have done it much differently.

      Edit: I'm comparing this production and tone to the original six-pack sans Diver Down. Those are some of the best produced albums I've ever heard (VHII being my favorite). ADKOT is a great (modern) production, but it just does't compare to those 5 albums.

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      • bigtrouble77
        Full On Cocktard
        • Jan 2004
        • 37

        #48
        I'm sure the production sounds great on your iPod headphones and that's all that matters.

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        • SNIPER
          Crazy Ass Mofo
          • Jun 2004
          • 2625

          #49
          Originally posted by bigtrouble77
          I'm sure the production sounds great on your iPod headphones and that's all that matters.
          Good thing studio monitors are in every household across the world. I guess the car, Home system, and "iPod" are old news now.

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          • SNIPER
            Crazy Ass Mofo
            • Jun 2004
            • 2625

            #50
            Originally posted by SNIPER
            Good thing studio monitors are in every household across the world. I guess the car, Home system, and "iPod" are old news now.
            It's all really just opinion. I respect yours.

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            • bigtrouble77
              Full On Cocktard
              • Jan 2004
              • 37

              #51
              Originally posted by SNIPER
              It's all really just opinion. I respect yours.
              Likewise, but you gotta realize that when we start talking tone the gloves are off

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              • ELVIS
                Banned
                • Dec 2003
                • 44120

                #52
                The warm sound on the early albums are more of a result of the recording process and are not at all a direct representation of Ed's actual tone at the time...

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                • bigtrouble77
                  Full On Cocktard
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 37

                  #53
                  Originally posted by ELVIS
                  The warm sound on the early albums are more of a result of the recording process and are not at all a direct representation of Ed's actual tone at the time...
                  I agree to some degree, recording analog is like shooting film... but I've also heard the AxeFX2 and the tone is very close to those albums. I think the main problem is compression. Those albums had a higher dynamic range that gave the recordings so much character. I guess you would only notice that if you had high end gear. Actually, the newer stuff probably sounds better with cheap headphones and car speakers, but I'll still argue it isn't worth it.

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                  • ELVIS
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 44120

                    #54
                    I have high end gear...

                    I'm waiting to hear the actual CD and the vinyl...

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                    • Sarge
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                      • Feb 2003
                      • 5424

                      #55
                      I can't wait for the Vinyl! It's going to be awesome!
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                      • ELVIS
                        Banned
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 44120

                        #56
                        I would expect it to be mastered differently for vinyl due to the wide range of lows and highs of the digital source...

                        Should sound better...

                        I plan to transfer the vinyl to digital for the version I'll listen to the most...

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                        • So this is love
                          Veteran
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 2394

                          #57
                          Originally posted by ELVIS
                          The warm sound on the early albums are more of a result of the recording process and are not at all a direct representation of Ed's actual tone at the time...
                          Also read that Ed didn't like how the guitar in earlier cvh always came out from the right side with bass/drums on the left side of the speakers instead of a stereo output. He found this out in his car, try this and once you notice its very annoying... I wonder if this is resolved with adkot...
                          Now who`s that babe with the fab-u-lous shad-ow?

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                          • ELVIS
                            Banned
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 44120

                            #58
                            I like the guitar on one side on the early albums...

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                            • tjvhou812
                              Full Member Status

                              • Mar 2004
                              • 4216

                              #59
                              well i disagree,i think that guitar sound could have came of the diver down album, not any of the van hagar albums
                              Originally posted by RIKK

                              Now, tj was indeed a major cunt. Indeed, he probably still is.

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                              • bigtrouble77
                                Full On Cocktard
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 37

                                #60
                                Originally posted by So this is love
                                Also read that Ed didn't like how the guitar in earlier cvh always came out from the right side with bass/drums on the left side of the speakers instead of a stereo output. He found this out in his car, try this and once you notice its very annoying... I wonder if this is resolved with adkot...
                                I don't get it, that's the definition of stereo output. Diver Down is the only album that isn't mixed like this and the old tapes sound like a mono recording. The recent remasters fixed this up significantly, but it's still a weak mix.

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