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  • chefcraig
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Apr 2004
    • 12172

    Originally posted by Zing!
    What's the origin of the bass solo? Who did it first? And why?
    Originally posted by FORD
    Probably some jazz dude from the 40s or 50s?
    Blame it all on Scott LaFaro, the upright bassist with the legendary Bill Evans Trio.

    How Bass Solos Ruined Jazz

    Jazz.com

    Bass solos suck. Let's face it, the ponderous, unwieldy bottom feeder is the least interesting jazz instrument, lacking even the visual appeal of drum solos. A bulwark in European concert halls since its invention by 16th-century Italian luthiers, the bass violin has by design remained in the background of symphonic and chamber music. Mozart, e.g., composed 40 concertos featuring a solo instrument, including 27 for piano, 5 for violin, 4 for horn, one each for flute, clarinet, oboe and bassoon, but none for bass violin. Likewise in other genres, from folk to pop to country and rock 'n' roll, the acoustic bass serves a supporting role. Only in jazz has it become a principal solo instrument.

    Until the 1930s, the string bass was seldom used in jazz, and even then almost never for solos. Since it projects poorly, the acoustic bass mostly provided ballast in lieu of solos that inevitably plunked more than resonated. During the 1940s and early '50s, however, such virtuosos as Jimmy Blanton, Oscar Pettiford and Charles Mingus elbowed their cumbersome instrument into the spotlight. By the mid-'50s, bass solos were de rigueur. Still, the bassist remained primarily an accompanist, not a principal soloist on a par with trumpeters, saxophonists or pianists.

    One man changed all that. In the early 1960s, Scott LaFaro, equipped with gargantuan technique and a muscularity suggesting Popeye hopped up on spinach, revolutionized the jazz bass. By imposing his will not just during designated solos, but throughout an entire piece, this brazen bull fiddler in a china shop (otherwise known as the Bill Evans Trio) perversely transformed the conventional trio from a pianist supported by bass and drums to a bassist backed by piano and drums.

    It's been said that a jazz band is democracy in microcosm, with each constituent free to express himself. This clich misconstrues jazz and democracy. An effective group requires both a leader with vision, and participants willing to cooperate towards a common goal. Not everyone can be President simultaneously. This applies to jazz no less than to an entire nation, and is affirmed by Explorations (1961), recorded shortly before Bill Evans abdicated. The highlight, with LaFaro mercifully keeping his monstrous technique in check, is "Elsa," where the diffident pianist is assisted, not overpowered, by his sidemen. "Elsa" isn't democracy in microcosm; it's beauty in macrocosm.

    By the summer of 1961, however, Scott LaFaro's coup d'bass was complete. So, as it turned out, was his life. Ten days after a live recording session that would result in two Bill Evans Trio albums, the 25-year-old LaFaro accidentally drove his car at high speed into a tree in upstate New York, killing himself and a passenger.

    Accordingly, Evans's next release, Sunday at the Village Vanguard, served as what producer Orrin Keepnews called "a fitting memorial to the abbreviated career of a talented bassist." The follow-up Waltz for Debby was "perhaps more representative of the overall repertoire of the group."

    Although Evans's playing is breathtakingly beautiful, LaFaro dominates the proceedings, abetted by his nominal boss, whose tendency towards introspection made him a pushover for the bully fiddler in his midst. Thus, LaFaro consumes 30% of the five Sunday at the Village Vanguard tracks where he solos, and monopolizes a similar percentage of Waltz for Debby. Cumulatively, even factoring in three tracks on which he doesn't solo, LaFaro hogs nearly 25% (19.5 minutes) of the trio's 80-minute, 2-LP performance. This is way beyond showcasing. It's more like Godzilla Goes Trick or Treating. Through sheer brute force, Scott LaFaro had hijacked the Bill Evans Trio.

    In December 2007, jazz blogger and occasional Jazz.com contributor Marc Myers reported that pianist Lennie Tristano once walked out in the middle of an Evans/LaFaro club date. "Apparently the perfection of the Bill Evans Trio," Myers speculated, "was too much for Lennie's ego." As long as we're imputing unknowable motives to dead people, let me suggest a contrary spin. In 1962, Tristano objected in the pages of Down Beat to the burgeoning star complex among rhythm sections. "Nowadays there are no sidemen left," Lennie kvetched. "Everyone is a soloist." Tristano most likely fled not out of bruised pride, but in protest to LaFaro's Paul Bunyan-esque ax wielding. With Babe the Bull Fiddle at his side, Scott LaFaro cleared the forest of interested listeners faster than splatter-movie loggers armed with Texas chainsaws.

    In any case, LaFaro's legacy was widespread and long-lasting. Never again would jazz bassists be relegated to a lowly supporting role. Henceforth, in a grand triumph of vanity over common sense, everyone would be a soloist, and every soloist would be a star. Now across the land would resound the thumps, thwacks and thuds of bull fiddlers brutishly boring ever-diminishing audiences into deep, dull submission. All in all, an unfitting memorial to the abbreviated career of a talented but overreaching musician. And a dismal development for jazz.


    Originally posted by FORD
    Stanley Clarke could probably play a Hell of a bass solo, but admittedly I haven't heard much of his work outside the New Barbarians.....
    Try this, a duet with Jeff Beck.

    Last edited by chefcraig; 04-26-2012, 01:55 PM.









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    • Rothone
      Roth Army Recruit
      • Mar 2012
      • 11

      Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
      the house Dave and Ed built...not the worst place I have seen...
      hilarious and very true. I get sick of hearing about how Anthony is somehow akin to Roth or Eddie or Alex. He's not. I'm not saying he was unimportant. When I saw VH in 84' though I barely looked at him or thought about him, and I don't recall hearing anyone say anything about him after the show. His importance has been intentionally inflated by hagar fans who are clearly so jealous of Roth they can't see straight.

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      • Nitro Express
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Aug 2004
        • 32942



        The Ox going for a little solo time.
        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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        • loucap81
          Head Fluffer
          • Apr 2012
          • 450

          If you're into bassists check out Tony Levin/Stick Men if you get a chance. Really cool stuff. I don't even know how the hell anyone can play a Chapman Stick but he is a master of that instrument, and his new music is funky as hell.

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 59633

            Yeah, Levin is known for that "stick" but he ain't no slouch on a normal bass either. Here he is with guitarist Phil Keaggy and drummer Jerry Marotta, just jamming for the Hell of it. Or the Heaven of it, since they appear to be in a church.......





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            • ZahZoo
              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

              • Jan 2004
              • 9172

              Percy Jones is a madman on bass... not sure if he ever performed bass solo outside of a song. He mostly performed with the jazz fusion band Brand X. Currently working with New York jazz fusion band The Tunnels.
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              • SNIPER
                Crazy Ass Mofo
                • Jun 2004
                • 2625

                Originally posted by Nitro Express

                The Ox going for a little solo time.
                He was/is a bad man!!! My top 3 influences.

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                • SNIPER
                  Crazy Ass Mofo
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 2625

                  This is the kinda shit that ruined bass solos for me. Weak!! I get that it is more for show and for Nikki to have his stage moment but please stop it!! This is the shit you learn your first month on bass let alone call it a jam and bring it to the arena.. He needed to go back to his closet and hide from the mexican midgets! Sorry Crue fans.

                  Last edited by SNIPER; 04-26-2012, 03:05 PM.

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                  • DONNIEP
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 13373

                    Hey Sniper, you sure you got the right clip there??? I mean, that was the bass solo, for real?
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                    • SNIPER
                      Crazy Ass Mofo
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 2625

                      I think it was. Please tell me I have the wrong clip.

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                      • DONNIEP
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 13373

                        Damn, I've never even picked up a bass and I guaran-damn-tee you I could play something that sounded better than that....Mary had a little lamb or something...
                        American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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                        • SNIPER
                          Crazy Ass Mofo
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 2625

                          Originally posted by DONNIEP
                          Damn, I've never even picked up a bass and I guaran-damn-tee you I could play something that sounded better than that....Mary had a little lamb or something...
                          Haha. I bet you can bro!

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                          • SNIPER
                            Crazy Ass Mofo
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 2625

                            Here is another brain buster!

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                            • SNIPER
                              Crazy Ass Mofo
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 2625

                              Hey, thanks for the nice work of keeping us all updated last night by the way, looks like it was a killer show!

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                              • DONNIEP
                                DIAMOND STATUS
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 13373

                                Originally posted by SNIPER
                                Hey, thanks for the nice work of keeping us all updated last night by the way, looks like it was a killer show!
                                No problem! Had to represent the Roth Army and let everybody know what was going down! It really was an outstanding show, no shit. Seeing them on the opening night of the 2007 tour was awesome, but the show last night? It freaking blew that one away. I kept hoping for LUTS for Light 'Em Up, cause I know she would have passed out And I really appreciated Momshell taking all of my texts, evevn though I'm sure I sounded like I was on a coke binge
                                American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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