I Figured Out A Way To Get Mike Back In The Band

[RedEye]

As far as being motivated, I'm not that impressed by a supposed musical prodigy barking orders at soundcheck. EVH and AVH are old farts and need reminded about technical aspects of songs they wrote 35 years ago. It happens to a lot of people getting close to 60. Go watch a soundcheck for Aerosmith or The Who or anyone of similar age and you'll see LOTS of mistakes based on foggy memories.

In his days off, Wolfie spends his time hanging with his chick and watching a lot of hockey. Nothing wrong with that, but his Pops and uncle and Dave at that age seem to have the "fire in the belly" and were always thinking and playing music. I don't see that same burning desire in Wolf. He needs to put down the Twitter phone and start noodling on his bass late into the night and producing stuff that makes people's jaws drop.

I guess my question is how the hell do you know what Wolf is doing on off days? You obviously have no desire to give the kid the benefit of the doubt. And you harp on the fact that you haven't heard anything he has composed and that he is as good as a 14 year old on YouTube. How many tunes do you know for a fact MA wrote? Were you in the ADKOT development rehearsals to know for a fact Wolf didn't bring riffs and ideas to the table?

Your opinion is duly noted. You don't want Wolf in the band and will slag on him rather than appreciate him... we get it.

[Angel]

In his days off, Wolfie spends his time hanging with his chick and watching a lot of hockey....He needs to put down the Twitter phone

He hardly ever tweets, and last night he was jamming with Ed at Val's house. She tweeted they were playing and singing Women in Love in the next room.

Guess he's doing a bit more than hanging with his girl and watching hockey...

[So this is love]

He hardly ever tweets, and last night he was jamming with Ed at Val's house. She tweeted they were playing and singing Women in Love in the next room.

Guess he's doing a bit more than hanging with his girl and watching hockey...

...and I`m confused and I didn`t even start drinking yet...

[ZahZoo]

I guess my question is how the hell do you know what Wolf is doing on off days? You obviously have no desire to give the kid the benefit of the doubt. And you harp on the fact that you haven't heard anything he has composed and that he is as good as a 14 year old on YouTube. How many tunes do you know for a fact MA wrote? Were you in the ADKOT development rehearsals to know for a fact Wolf didn't bring riffs and ideas to the table?

Your opinion is duly noted. You don't want Wolf in the band and will slag on him rather than appreciate him... we get it.

Good point... TJMpunk and I don't know squat about who really produced what when it came to the making of ADKOT. It's all speculation and opinion marinated in bullshit. I'll give you that...

I believe TJMpunk has the Missouri "Show Me" angle covered and wants proof Wolfgang isn't just following in Uncle Mike's coat-tail ridding approach™.

I'm just following a somewhat logical assumption looking at what the Three Old Farts™ were doing creatively leading up to producing ADKOT. I was more than pleasantly shocked that ADKOT turned out as heavy, deep and rock your ass off as it did!! Didn't see that coming at all having followed Dave, Ed & Al's careers since day one. I honestly thought Tattoo might have been the heaviest hitter when it released... yet turned out to be the lightest song on the record. Thankfully...

Back on topic... this record and tour are exactly the reason Mike's services are no longer needed in VH... It ain't broke and doesn't need fixin...

[Northern Girl]

I don't see that same burning desire in Wolf

And we likely never will as long as he is in Van Halen. He walked into a legendary band without paying his dues. He will always have to live with that fact. Unless there is a day when he goes out on his own and starts a new band. But even still, the name will give him advantages that others don't have.

[Zing!]

But even still, the name will give him advantages that others don't have.

That lucky bastard will get to the head of the line at Space Mountain every time...

[fourthcoming]

This thread should be re-named the MOOT POINT thread. Or the really tedious, time-wasting, annoying, fruitless, pointless, redundant thread.

[Zing!]

This thread should be re-named the MOOT POINT thread. Or the really tedious, time-wasting, annoying, fruitless, pointless, redundant thread.

We already have that. It's called 'Ralph Saenz until Dave gets his voice back?? ' thread.

[fourthcoming]

Now that's funny!!!

[fourthcoming]

And I'm sure Wolfy is struggling so deeply with "walking into a legenday band and not paying his dues"........struggling all the way to the bank. The kid can play and sing and he has a good head on his shoulders.....why can't that be enough?

[Zing!]

Sorry if I'm getting a little bitchy, but this shit just pisses me off - and I knew it was coming. Killer new =VH= album out, the band is sober, touring, and seemingly happier than ever - and now, with a bit of mileage between the album release and the first leg of the tour winding down, we get the: 'but what have you done for me lately?' bullshit starting, with lame threads and nothing but nitpicking and complaining about every little flaw with the live shows. The shit just pisses me off.

[CROWBAR]

My gut also tells me Soboleski had a better ability to create his own bass lines than Wolf. Hard to believe Eddie hired Mike and then immediately had to compose all his bass lines during the club days and early VH albums. He would've dumped him a lot sooner if that was the case.

On the other hand, I can easily believe a rock legend creating all the bass lines for his son because he desperately wants the world to think his kid is the "future of Van Halen".

Agree. Plus, the fact that is now on record of Wolfgang having had the distinct pleasure of being recorded with EIGHT microphones no less by none other than Ross Hogarth. You think that ever happened for Mike? Doubt it very seriously.

The main thing that's holding back Wolfie is his glaring lack of musical compositions ---- he hasn't produced one single snippet of original music that we can judge harshly on it's own merits.

Read the liner notes to ADKOT and it says all music written by "Roth/Van Halen" ---- that sounds like code for ---- "My Daddy wrote all my bass lines for me".

Yep, it sure does say that imo. Not a shred of proof he wrote a single note on ADKOT yet.

As you said ---- Mike teaming up with Spamborita and calling themselves "The Other Half" was the lid on the coffin for Mike's tenure in VH. That REALLY pissed off the sisters. There's also that nagging rumor that Mike blew off the funeral for Mrs. Eugenia Van Halen and if it's true --- then that certainly doesn't make him more likable in Van Halen country.

I didn't mention the Other Half, just his gigging during the Sam & Dave 2002 tour. However, I recall while they were touring as the Other Half, EVH was still definitely in the throes of alcoholism and could not be bothered with any decision making regarding VH. Mike was still wondering what the hell was going on so he probably thought "Why not?' Hell, you think back to the side projects EVH had back then and why does it make it okay for him to do something but not Mike during VH's downtime? Why should that have even bothered EVH? Answer: It shouldn't have. Not one iota. With nothing going on in VH, what was the big f'n deal I ask? Evidently, he did think it was.

But if he never produces any composition he will match Anthonys 30 years which is nothing. Why crown Anthony other than nostalgia?

Imagine Anthony trying to play Chinatown

Keep the better bass better and jerkoff to your 1978 poster if you feel nostalgic.

What an asinine comment! You think they aren't strolling down Nostalgia Lane right now? Pull yer head out of yer ass. A new album to draw from and yet they only play four new songs per show. I ask you why? Is it because they can't reproduce them all live? Or, simply don't want to? Funny, EVH went on record a few short yrs. ago saying that he would "never be a nostalgia band" and yet here he is eating those same words nightly. Makes you think they aren't as proud of this new record as they should be imo.

Seriously, when are people going to realize for better or for worse....this is the way it's going to be. NOTHING is going to change. VAN HALEN is David Lee Roth, Edward Van Halen, Alex Van Halen, Wolfgang Van Halen. End this thread already please!!!

The reason you're crying for the thread to be closed is because you've accepted what Deaddy has doled out to you. My guess is that you settle for mediocrity in your day to day life as well.

And we likely never will as long as he is in Van Halen. He walked into a legendary band without paying his dues. He will always have to live with that fact. Unless there is a day when he goes out on his own and starts a new band. But even still, the name will give him advantages that others don't have.

Excellent comment and I could not agree more.

[NIN1211]

Sorry if I'm getting a little bitchy, but this shit just pisses me off - and I knew it was coming. Killer new =VH= album out, the band is sober, touring, and seemingly happier than ever - and now, with a bit of mileage between the album release and the first leg of the tour winding down, we get the: 'but what have you done for me lately?' bullshit starting, with lame threads and nothing but nitpicking and complaining about every little flaw with the live shows. The shit just pisses me off.

No shit....this could be happening (right now).

[TJMKID]

I'm just following a somewhat logical assumption looking at what the Three Old Farts™ were doing creatively leading up to producing ADKOT. I was more than pleasantly shocked that ADKOT turned out as heavy, deep and rock your ass off as it did!! Didn't see that coming at all having followed Dave, Ed & Al's careers since day one. I honestly thought Tattoo might have been the heaviest hitter when it released... yet turned out to be the lightest song on the record. Thankfully...

You got your own system of logic, bub ---- and it sure seems like a delusion wrapped tight around Wolfie's ball bag!

You make the repeated mistake of forgetting that when Dave and Eddie get together on a creative level ---- fireworks happen 99% of the time. They are fully capable of producing mediocre crap when they work apart (DLR Band, VH 3, etc) but they are a sure thing when cooking in the same kitchen. They proved that in 1996 with 2 great songs after being apart for 12 years --- and they proved it again in 2012 with ADKOT after a prolonged separation. And yet you automatically assume ADKOT was suddenly great because Wolfie grew up and became a force of nature. I'm still calling bullshit on that.

What's even more offensive and delusional is that some of you want to crown Wolfie as the new "King of Van Halen" after only one album of mostly reworked demos and 1.5 tours ---- and yet Mike contributed to 5 solid years of growing popularity in the LA clubs and 11 studio VH albums (6 of which are legendary rock masterpieces) and you weirdos want to dismiss him as a no-talent hack who had all his bass lines written for him by Eddie. Who's using twisted and irrational logic now?

Come back down to Earth ---- revoke your memberships to the Wolfgang Nutsack Nuzzlers Society ---- and let time decide if this kid really got "the gift". Until then --- he's a soundcheck foreman living in a very large shadow of a guitar icon.

[DavidLeeNatra]

man...I have seen much better threads than this peace of shit getting dumped on their first day...