Eddie Van Halen, Guitar World, Feb 2014

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  • VHscraps
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    • Jul 2009
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    Eddie Van Halen, Guitar World, Feb 2014

    The new edition of Guitar World, which came out today (LINK), has EVH on the cover and an interview about the making of '1984'. A lot of stuff we have all heard before, but also some new tidbits and a lot of praise from Ed for Donn Landee, who he says he has tried to haul out of retirement before without any success.



    At the risk of spoiling this for some of you who may want to read it fresh (look away, if so) some new things that I had never heard Ed talk about before include:


    - Ed thinks that "Hot for Teacher" is one of a number of VH tunes / shuffles or swing-type tunes that were inspired by hearing his father's big band music. Others he mentions are "I'm the One" and "Sinner's Swing"

    - The recording room in 5150 was so small and presented so many difficulties for recording drums that not only did Alex have to use Simmons drums (apart from the snare), but the cymbals on tracks had to be played and overdubbed separately.

    - During recording the band played ensemble, with Ed on a stool right in front of Alex. Alex would nod when it was time to change if Ed lost count, which he usually did when he was soloing.

    - "Drop Dead Legs" was inspired by AC/DC's "Back in Black", but Ed says it came out "slower and more like a jazz version of Back in Black - the descending progression is similar, but I put more notes in there"

    - Ted Templeman (and everybody else, but mostly Ted by the sound of it) totally hated "I'll Wait" and tried to put Ed off recording it. Every time Ed would strike it up, Ted would hum the tune to Argent's "Hold Your Head Up" just to piss him off.

    - On "House of Pain": The reason it was changed from the original is that "nobody really liked the way that it originally was".

    - Dave said this in his book, but this is the first time Ed has admitted it - he and Donn concealed and withheld the master tapes from Ted Templeman while they kept mixing the album. Ted would turn up at the studio looking for the tapes, because contractually the album had to come out in 1983 and New Year's Eve (or the weekend around then) was the last available day. But when Ted showed up, Donn would disappear, taking the tapes with him out some back route at Howdy Doody Mountain before Ed would then let Ted in through the front gate, saying he had no idea where Donn was with the tapes ... this went on for weeks towards the end. "Ted thought that Donn had lost it," Ed says "and was going to burn the master tapes". If you read Dave's book, he mentions sitting outside the studio / the house with Ted, buzzing like crazy and trying to get in.

    - Ed says an awful lot of complimentary things about working with Donn Landee, and I think it is clear that he misses him. He describes him as "a man-child genius on the borderline of insanity", like "Albert Einstein" and still seems a bit baffled as to what happened with him: "It was a bummer when we stopped working together. Donn just totally left the music business. I went over to his house once and asked him to reconsider. He said, Nah. I probably wouldn't even remember how to do it."

    (Readers with ears will probably say that he had forgotten how to do it by the time of the second Van Hagar album ...)
    Last edited by VHscraps; 01-07-2014, 09:01 AM.
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  • vandeleur
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    #2
    Had to read that again , for a second I thought ed had read Dave's book ... I thought holy shit read that again
    fuck your fucking framing

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    • DLR Bridge
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      #3
      Man, did they retouch that cover pic. Looks like a Madame Tussauds replica of Ed.

      That's classic about Ed getting the change cues from Al. Just about every clip from this last tour, you can tell Ed's coming out of the HFT solo either a note behind or a note ahead of where he should be. That does kinda make things interesting, though.

      Hey Scraps, does he mention any songs by title that almost made it to the record?

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      • DLR Bridge
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        #4
        Wasn't Panama an AC/DC riff turned inside out? Ed, Al and Dave all have mentioned loving those guys.

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        • vandeleur
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          • Sep 2009
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          #5
          We could play a game what can halen song sounds like DC . When I first heard breast of both worlds I thought It was a play on highway to hell . Ish
          fuck your fucking framing

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          • vandeleur
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            • Sep 2009
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            #6
            They say they loved them but bullied and took their lunch money at Donnington :D
            fuck your fucking framing

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            • VHscraps
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              • Jul 2009
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              #7
              Originally posted by DLR Bridge
              Man, did they retouch that cover pic. Looks like a Madame Tussauds replica of Ed.

              That's classic about Ed getting the change cues from Al. Just about every clip from this last tour, you can tell Ed's coming out of the HFT solo either a note behind or a note ahead of where he should be. That does kinda make things interesting, though.

              Hey Scraps, does he mention any songs by title that almost made it to the record?
              Nah - and I forgot to be pissed off at the interviewer for not asking that, 'cos as you might know EVH said in a previous Guitar World interview, just before 1984 came out, that they had cut thirteen songs.

              Yeah, it would be good to know where the others ended up - what songs they became later on etc.

              The interviewer's questions weren't that ambitious or that well-informed, so it's surprising that it's actually quite a good read and Ed is a bit more expansive than he is sometimes.
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              • VHscraps
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                #8
                Originally posted by DLR Bridge
                Wasn't Panama an AC/DC riff turned inside out? Ed, Al and Dave all have mentioned loving those guys.
                Yeah, he's said that before - just had a look again, and he says here: "when the guys asked me to write something with an AC/DC beat, that ended up being Panama. It really doesn't sound that much like AC/DC, but that was my interpretation of it [the AC/DC feel]."
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                • DLR Bridge
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by VHscraps
                  Nah - and I forgot to be pissed off at the interviewer for not asking that, 'cos as you might know EVH said in a previous Guitar World interview, just before 1984 came out, that they had cut thirteen songs.
                  Damn. The wrong interviewers always get the good gigs.

                  There's a GW interview with Ed from around the time Crazy From The Heat came out, where Ed mentions a song, Anytime Anywhere (or any place. Can't remember). He also mentions the Wilson Pickett tune, In The Midnight Hour.

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                  • Kristy
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                    • Aug 2004
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                    #10
                    C'mon Eddie, this is boring. Tell us how your F A T thighed wife blew you during solos or how much coke Micheal was doing off of a dead whores ass or how Roth was hanging out in seedy underground gay clubs of L.A.

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                    • VHscraps
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                      #11
                      No pics of the studio, really, although that's what most of the interview is about - apart from this.

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                      • VHscraps
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by DLR Bridge
                        Damn. The wrong interviewers always get the good gigs.

                        There's a GW interview with Ed from around the time Crazy From The Heat came out, where Ed mentions a song, Anytime Anywhere (or any place. Can't remember). He also mentions the Wilson Pickett tune, In The Midnight Hour.
                        I think 'Anytime, Anyplace' might just have been renamed (last minute vocals / lyrics?). I think the recording of 'In the Midnight Hour' could exist. Have you seen Templeman's memo to the band, just before they were due to start mixing? I found this ages ago ...



                        So:

                        1. Jump
                        2. Panama
                        3. Baritone Slide (="Drop Dead Legs"??)
                        4. Lie to You (= ???)
                        5. Ripley (I think this was the working name of "Top Jimmy", based on Ed interviews about a track called that featuring something loopy played on a Ripley guitar, and not the other tune that emerged as "Ripley")
                        6. Hot for Teacher
                        7. Any Time, Any Place (= "Girl Gone Bad"???)
                        8. House of Pain

                        and the "yet to cut" tracks might or might not have made the album ...

                        1. Forget 1
                        2. 5150 Special
                        3. Anything to Make it Right (synth) (= "I'll Wait"??)

                        I just noticed that some of those tracks detailed on that memo are ticked off (the ones in bold), and others not - a guess might be that the ones ticked off were slated for the album, and the ones not ticked off were tunes either recorded or worked on that didn't look like they would make the final album.

                        And there were other tunes mentioned in interviews before the album came out - "In the Midnight Hour", "Eat Thy Neighbour", "Blow the Man Down" ...
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                        • DLR Bridge
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                          #13
                          Damn, now that's the shit someone needs in their hand as they go into an interview with Ed next time.

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                          • DLR Bridge
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                            #14
                            Got to peruse this mag at lunch. I liked that he declared Fair Warning as the album that defines the band in his eyes. I agree full throttle with that. I don't think he ever would have necessarily tried to create a "hit song" if it weren't for Ted pushing for one after FW. He still sounds pissed that Ted made them twist his "Peter Gabriel type song" into Dancing In The Streets. He said all Ted cared about during the making of 1984 was Jump, once he decided it was a can't fail hit.

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                            • chefcraig
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                              • Apr 2004
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by vandeleur
                              We could play a game what can halen song sounds like DC . When I first heard breast of both worlds I thought It was a play on highway to hell . Ish
                              Ed stole the "Best of Both Worlds" riff lock, stock and barrel from Kool & The Gang's "Celebrate." And the "5150" walk that goes along with it was taken from The Breakfast Club.









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