VH fanbase dwindling

[Warham]

This is what Van Halen sold up to 1985, the year Roth left...

Van Halen I - 5 million
Van Halen II - 3 million
WACF - 2 million
Fair Warning - 1 million
Diver Down - 2 million
1984 - 5 million

So between 1978-1985, Roth stuff sold 18 million copies (3 million average).
Between 1986-1992 (seven years), the Roth stuff sold 4 million (.66 million average).
Between 1993-1999 (seven years), the Roth stuff sold 10 million (1.25 million average).
Since 1999, the Roth stuff has sold 1 million (.2 million).

Compare that to Van Hagar....

Between 1986 and 1996 Hagar stuff sold....

5150 -5 million
OU812 - 3 million
FUCK - 3 million
Balance - 2 million

So Hagar stuff sold 13 million between 1986-1996 (3.25 million average)
Between 1997-2004 (seven years), the Hagar stuff sold 3 million copies (.75 million average).

I had to satisfy the sheep's curiosity. All figures found at RIAA.

Also, I only included studio albums. No live or greatest hits included.

[EmpyreLounge44]

jesus warham, thats a rediculous amount of info. but it kind of goes with what i was saying....their sales werent that great before 1984 either, hovering around 1 and 2 million before 1984 exploded. who knows how they would have followed that up. that there is a pretty intersting question and would tell a lot about what happened to VH as a band.

im not saying better or worse, im just saying everything he has done is not good just because he did it...thats the worst kind of flock to be in. i have no problem with the "herd," I know where I am and what to expect and arent going anywhere.

[Roth kills Sam]

Originally posted by EmpyreLounge44
jesus warham, thats a rediculous amount of info. but it kind of goes with what i was saying....their sales werent that great before 1984 either, hovering around 1 and 2 million before 1984 exploded. who knows how they would have followed that up. that there is a pretty intersting question and would tell a lot about what happened to VH as a band.

Is this guy for real? What planet are you on? THis guy is the highest form of dumbass around.

[EmpyreLounge44]

whats so hard to believe about what i wrote? what is the part you are getting stuck on?

[bueno bob]

Very interesting numbers...amazing that so many sheep can simply ignore the reality of them...

[Greenbuds]

I love the way these sheep try and manipulate sales figures and think all things are even and like 1984 was their first big hit.

The fact is in 1978, Van Halen were unknown, but yet their debut album was on the charts for an amazing 169 weeks!

Compare that Van Hagar's debut, who INHERITED everything from Van Halen and Roth. It was only on the charts 64 weeks.

Get it through your fat sheep skulled heads - Van Halen with Roth started from NOTHING. Van Hagar with Hagar already had six major tours and six multi-platinum records under thier belt. All Sammy had to do was show up at the studio and collect his money.

Van Halen would have NEVER became as huge as they did without David Lee Roth. Back in the day, he was Van Halen to the general public. Just look at the magazines and interviews from that time period. Anybody who denies this just wasn't there.


The bottom line is the sales themselves - roughly 40 million for Dave and 21 million for Sammy, 500k for Cherone.

Spin it anyway you want, sheep, but Dave has outsold Sammy by a 2-1 margin. Sammy owes EVERYTHING he has in Van Halen to David Lee Roth, period.

[Roth kills Sam]

When the real VH broke apart after 1984, they were the biggest friggin' band on the planet in an era of a million rock bands. The only reason that album couldn't get to # 1 was because the biggest album in history just happened to peak at that time (Thriller). THey have been just another successful band since then. They have never owned the world like they did with Dave...

[guwapo_rocker]

Re: VH fanbase dwindling

Originally posted by Greenbuds
The following is the last three Van Halen albums and their first week of sales:

BOV1 (2 new Roth tunes) - 233,000 units sold
Van Halen 3 (Cherone) - 190,000 units sold
BOBW (3 new Hagar tunes)- 138,000 units sold


The amazing thing is VH3 and BOBW had a lot more going for them then BOV1, but yet, BOV1 on the strength of only 2 new Roth songs, was the only one to debut at NO.1 and sold much more than the others. BOV1 has sold 3 million compared to about only 500,000 for VH3. By these numbers BOBW should sell even less than VH3.

VH3 was supported by a tour and it was an album full of new songs.

BOBW is supported by a so-called 'blockbuster reunion' tour and has 3 new songs with the 'legend' Sammy Hagar. TV commercials are all over the place and you get 2 CD's for almost the price of one at most places. What sheep could resist that?

BOV1, on the otherhand, was severely handicapped.

Take into account:

There was no tour to support BOV1.
David Lee Roth openly said do not buy the record.
There was an internet boycott of the record.
The video was canceled for MWM.
Bad blood between Roth and Warner meant very little ad support from Warner.

But, basically, people did not want to honor the boycott. The lure of 2 new songs with Roth was just too great. This album sold pretty much on word of mouth and sold almost twice as much as BOBW has in it's first week.

The numbers speak loud and clear:

3 million have bought BOV1. 500k have bought VH3 and even less will buy BOBW.

The conclusion:

Van Halen is nothing without David Lee Roth

Excellent post, and a vote for you!:D

[Matt White]

Just wait 'till 'N'SYNC put out a "reunion" CD....there won't be ANY SHEEP left for the Lying Dutchmen to feed off of!!! :fucku2:

[AJW]

Re: Roth Songs on BOV1

Originally posted by Thetruthbaby
Roth songs on BOV1 are "shitty",--- the medication your doctor has given you isn't working.

And Up For Breakfast made me Upchuck My Breakfast.

[AJW]

Re: Roth Songs on BOV1

Originally posted by Thetruthbaby
Roth songs on BOV1 are "shitty",--- the medication your doctor has given you isn't working.

And Up For Breakfast made me Upchuck My Breakfast.

[Chris]

Heard on the radio on a daily basis.....

Van Halen are reunited and out on tour.

Coming up next, "Runnin' With the Devil" and "Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love".

[vh1978-1984]

first thing i can't believe the cherone cd sold that many it's first week and i am amazed that the new best of sold 138,00 copies. it will drop off the charts like a rock but i can't believe there are so many stupid people. and one last thing i agree 100% with the album sales posts that van halen without roth would have never made it and roth made them the biggest band in the states and hagar waltzed into an easy gig. also keep in mind that early van halen didn't get much radio airplay because they didn't write pussy ballads so they sold albums through word of mouth and there live show like kiss. 5150 with roth would have also been number #1 because of the momentum from 1984 and it would have been much better. lets face it van hagar played it safe with a sure fire radio hit first single off 5150 with the beyond horrible ballad "why can't this be love". also if you notice warner brothers only remastered the first 6 cd's with roth because they are the ones that sell and even with this reunion tour going on i know of no plans to remaster and reissue the van hagar cd's. and my final point, album slaes really mean nothing to me even though roth wins easily, when the rock n roll history books are written there will be a glorious write up on van halen but it will be all about the legendary and influential first 6 cd's. i have heard many people mention van halen as an influence but never have i heard anyone say that they picked up the guitar because they wanted to cop the lifts to "when it's love." face it hagar freaks, van halen is david lee roth, michael anthony, alex van halen and eddie van halen. now throw away those van hagar cd's and crank up some real van halen. the truth shall set you free.

[vh1978-1984]

oh and to the idiot that trashed "me wise magic". are you deaf, that is easily the best song van halen has recorded since the 1984 cd. i will say that can't get this stuff no more was not up to par (good but not great song) but compared to the garbage they released off of the balance cd it was a stroke of genius. i will say that three lock box was a great album and sammy was good solo and he rocked solo, i saw van hagar once and he was horrible as was the rest of the band. hard to believe it was the same band that blew the roof off the arena in st. louis in 1984.

[Terry]

Taking the longview, pretty clear far more people bought the classic albums.

Could this simply mean more people prefer the classic Vh music?

No need to complicate it. Just look at the sales and arrive at the obvious conclusion:

Classic VH is the definitive lineup. The other lineups are secondary.