Why can't we like both eras?

[kcmusician]

Well ya know, this is what shoud have happened.... They had talked about two discs before the '96 hits.... One with Dave, and one with Sammy. They didn't because they didn't want the press of one era selling better the other. But since they did a double disc set, they could have atleast made the first disc Dave, and the second Sammy.... That way you could listen to what you want without any problem.

Shaun

[Golden AWe]

this thread is like defending a bisexual man by saying "why can't you like both men and women"

well, the heterosexual men love pussy.

bisexual men love pussy too, but will always be remember as knights of the brown hole.

[saint]

Originally posted by Golden AWe
this thread is like defending a bisexual man by saying "why can't you like both men and women"

well, the heterosexual men love pussy.

bisexual men love pussy too, but will always be remember as knights of the brown hole.

Amen

[DeadOrAlive]

Originally posted by BIG GOOSE
Is there another ??
78-84 all the way.

No no no... It's 73-84. You gotta include his club days!

[jacksmar]

“Now it may be your opinion that the Dave era is better”

It’s a fact.

“I realize this is a DLR fan site and that you worship Dave and everything he does”

Wrong. Only someone that likes shagar would assume this.

“Why can't you just forget about Dave being in VH and realize that he has his own thing going on and has for 20 years?”

Same reason some people can’t let go of Woodstock. If you have seen it, no comparison. And Roth’s Van Halen will always be bigger than Woodstock.

“it is totally Dave's choice to not be in VH”

Ah, there we have it. The familiar bleating of an EdwardVanHagar fan. Hope the sheppards are easy on you. Watch out for his brother Alice though. Word is his wife dropped him because he was favoring young boys.

Roth Rules.

[ssomesweetsugar]

Sammy never belonged in VH. I don't hate Sammy lovers.

This is just my opinion.

I saw his solo act at the Sacremento "State Fair" in CA in the 80's.
He put on an okay show. He was young and had a lot of energy he ran across the top of these towers, that went from one side of the stage to the other with no rail like a crazy man. I think that might be why he was considered for VH.

I remember those days and the talk of who might join the VH boys..I almost shit my pants when I heard it was Sammy. I know for me, it wouldn't have made a difference who replaced Dave. certain people/things just can't be substituted.

I wonder if his career was on the outs just before he was signed on to VH or they thought they were getting this amazing front man who could put on a good show.

Honestly, Sammy/vh is just boring to me. For some reason when I would hear them the first thing that came to mind was Loverboy. I never liked Loverboy either.


I personally need to hear and feel something when I listen to music. Sammy just never did it for me.

Where are the great legendary LYRICS???? I hear nothing when I've listen to Sammy /VH. After Dave left the magic was gone forever.

I'm not sure if the Sammy fans were ever original VH fans from the beginning. Maybe if they were they could see the difference in the music. I think a majority of Sam/VH fans are another generation or might be original Hager fans.

Whatever the case... Dave will always be VH to me.

[ssomesweetsugar]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Golden AWe
[B]this thread is like defending a bisexual man by saying "why can't you like both men and women"

I like your analogy Golden.
LOL

[nosuchluck]

both eras?
u mean there was more than one??

[philouze]

Bette Davis or Pee Wee Herman ?

[TongueNGroove]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
Hagar Sympathizers should FUCK OFF.

Here's a NEWSFLASH for ya, dimwit, the VanHalen's FORCED us to choose sides by their PERPETUAL degradation of DLR, and their REFUSAL to accept what Dave did as important to their careers. They CONSTANTLY insult, and down DLR whenever a mic is put in their faces. They forced the fans to pick sides by their constant bombardment of Dave, and his role in their history, and WE are the ARMY of DLR Fans... We are SUPPOSED to be the HARDEST of the HARDCORES.. The ones who will try the hardest to SUPPORT DAVE, and speak up when Dave has been slighted... ESPECIALLY by the guys he MADE FUCKING FAMOUS... In the grand scheme of things, they should kiss Dave's fucking ass EVERY FUCKING DAY OF THEIR FUCKING MISERABLE EXISTANCES FOR WHAT HE HAS DONE FOR THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why do I have to keep explaining this??? Go to Hell, shithead...

I hate it for yah dude, but Eddie would have been famous without Dave. No matter who would have been singing Van Halen would still be just as famous and the fact that they are still famous to this day and have put out many platinum albums since DLR left is proof of that.

When I first got into VH I didnt give a shit about Dave, I liked the way EDDIE played guitar. I liked HIS music and the way HE played. Dave was about as important as Mike Anthony.

Since then I have learned to appreciate Dave more and I enjoy what he did with VH and with Vai and Becker as well, not to mention his solo tunes i.e gigilo etc...

But for you to claim there would be no VH without Dave is just proving how ignorant you are of Eddies skills as musician.

[TongueNGroove]

Originally posted by Matt White
Another example of why Scottydabodi is a legend in his own time.

DAVE OR THE GRAVE MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!

A legend in his own MIND maybe.

[Matt White]

Originally posted by TongueNGroove
No matter who would have been singing Van Halen would still be just as famous and the fact that they are still famous to this day and have put out many platinum albums since DLR left is proof of that.
But for you to claim there would be no VH without Dave is just proving how ignorant you are of Eddies skills as musician.

EVH himself has said they NEVER would have made it without DAVE. It's redundant to continue arguing this point. Face it, EVH would STILL be playing backyard BarBQ's if ROTH hadn't run that band. This facade that"IT's All About The Music" is a tired JOKE. Without DAVE, you got 20 years of forgettable tunes. Nobody remembers Spammy's lyrics, so it would be true if EVH had written any good tunes. They made it back in the day as much on ROTH as EVH. Save the revisionist history, CARPETBAGGER.

DAVE OR THE GRAVE MOTHERFUCKERS!!!

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by TongueNGroove
I hate it for yah dude, but Eddie would have been famous without Dave.

Wrong. Ed's proven since 1985 that his work ethic is absolutely shit. It's being proven right now in an arena near you. The only reason you had a positive output from Van Halen during the Roth era was because he kicked ALL of their asses into shape and MADE them work for their success. Otherwise, yes, Van Halen probably would have had some success without Roth...their studio output at this point would probably rival Boston.

Originally posted by TongueNGroove
No matter who would have been singing Van Halen would still be just as famous and the fact that they are still famous to this day and have put out many platinum albums since DLR left is proof of that.

Wrong. It was an electric combination and Roth's face is what SOLD Van Halen to the masses in the 80s. Don't believe me? Go to eBay and look through teen magazines from 1978-1985...see how many times you see David's face on the cover and the words "Van Halen" right next to it...no doubt that Ed, Mike and Al were making the music, sure, but the lead singer is what sells the band to the masses, PERIOD. If you think Roth didn't sell Van Halen to EVERYBODY and their brother in the early 80s, you weren't there or you're writing your own revisionist history. Plus, you've also conveniently omitted the fact that every successive Van Halen album without David at the helm has sold less then the one before it, and it's a PROVEN FACT that the David Lee Roth fronted Van Halen has outsold the Spammy Hagar fronted Van Hagar albums 3-1.

Originally posted by TongueNGroove
When I first got into VH I didnt give a shit about Dave, I liked the way EDDIE played guitar. I liked HIS music and the way HE played. Dave was about as important as Mike Anthony.

That may be true. Even if it is, you're in the very minor majority among Van Halen fans...and this message board is DEFINATELY the wrong place for you.

Originally posted by TongueNGroove
Since then I have learned to appreciate Dave more and I enjoy what he did with VH and with Vai and Becker as well, not to mention his solo tunes i.e gigilo etc...

Good, then there's some hope for you.

Originally posted by TongueNGroove
But for you to claim there would be no VH without Dave is just proving how ignorant you are of Eddies skills as musician.

There would have been SOME form of Van Halen without David, but not acknowledging that David made Van Halen the most amazing rock and roll band from America during the late 70s and early to mid 80s just proves how ignorant you are about the actual history of Van Halen and how little you know about how much work he put into it.

[Golden AWe]

Originally posted by TongueNGroove
I hate it for yah dude, but Eddie would have been famous without Dave. No matter who would have been singing Van Halen would still be just as famous and the fact that they are still famous to this day and have put out many platinum albums since DLR left is proof of that.

When I first got into VH I didnt give a shit about Dave, I liked the way EDDIE played guitar. I liked HIS music and the way HE played. Dave was about as important as Mike Anthony.

Since then I have learned to appreciate Dave more and I enjoy what he did with VH and with Vai and Becker as well, not to mention his solo tunes i.e gigilo etc...

But for you to claim there would be no VH without Dave is just proving how ignorant you are of Eddies skills as musician.

well, your username kinda referred into ass-kissing already in the first place...

[BIG GOOSE]

Originally posted by ssomesweetsugar

I'm not sure if the Sammy fans were ever original VH fans from the beginning. Maybe if they were they could see the difference in the music. I think a majority of Sam/VH fans are another generation or might be original Hager fans.

I'm inclined to agree with you on this.I truly honestly can't believe that a Van Halen fan would EVER accept Sammy Hagar.I didn't and I stopped listening to VH until this year.
When I heard Hagar was the answer to the band's problems I thought it must have been a stupid fucking question to begin with.