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  • BIG GOOSE
    Roadie
    • Sep 2004
    • 165

    #76
    Originally posted by bueno bob
    Wrong. Ed's proven since 1985 that his work ethic is absolutely shit. It's being proven right now in an arena near you. The only reason you had a positive output from Van Halen during the Roth era was because he kicked ALL of their asses into shape and MADE them work for their success. Otherwise, yes, Van Halen probably would have had some success without Roth...their studio output at this point would probably rival Boston.



    Wrong. It was an electric combination and Roth's face is what SOLD Van Halen to the masses in the 80s. Don't believe me? Go to eBay and look through teen magazines from 1978-1985...see how many times you see David's face on the cover and the words "Van Halen" right next to it...no doubt that Ed, Mike and Al were making the music, sure, but the lead singer is what sells the band to the masses, PERIOD. If you think Roth didn't sell Van Halen to EVERYBODY and their brother in the early 80s, you weren't there or you're writing your own revisionist history. Plus, you've also conveniently omitted the fact that every successive Van Halen album without David at the helm has sold less then the one before it, and it's a PROVEN FACT that the David Lee Roth fronted Van Halen has outsold the Spammy Hagar fronted Van Hagar albums 3-1.



    That may be true. Even if it is, you're in the very minor majority among Van Halen fans...and this message board is DEFINATELY the wrong place for you.



    Good, then there's some hope for you.



    There would have been SOME form of Van Halen without David, but not acknowledging that David made Van Halen the most amazing rock and roll band from America during the late 70s and early to mid 80s just proves how ignorant you are about the actual history of Van Halen and how little you know about how much work he put into it.

    What a superb post I applaud you,sir !!!

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    • jacksmar
      Full Member Status

      • Feb 2004
      • 3533

      #77
      "their studio output at this point would probably rival Boston"
      LOL
      A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder

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      • Switch84
        Veteran
        • Feb 2004
        • 2316

        #78
        Originally posted by bueno bob
        Wrong. Ed's proven since 1985 that his work ethic is absolutely shit. LMAO!!! TRUE!




        There would have been SOME form of Van Halen without David, but not acknowledging that David made Van Halen the most amazing rock and roll band from America during the late 70s and early to mid 80s just proves how ignorant you are about the actual history of Van Halen and how little you know about how much work he put into it.

        :D You tell 'em, bueno bob! What burns my butt about the Dave-haters is the fact that these Eddie sheep believes that Davy Baby stepped into a ready-made band, and THAT'S NOT TRUE! Those fuckers weren't even "Van Halen" when Dave met them; they were calling themselves MAMMOTH.

        It's the combination of Dave's showmanship/lyricism and Eddie's musicianship that made that band as great as it was. Shit, even Mike Anthony was a 'replacement player' for chrissakes! The sheep probably don't know their original bassist was Mike Stone.


        Enough of the Dave hating already!
        "He doesn't need to sell millions of records, he doesn't need to fill arenas, he doesn't need to be popular, he doesn't need your money, AND HE DOESN'T NEED YOU!"
        Blackflag on DLR

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        • pete
          Crazy Ass Mofo
          • Jan 2004
          • 3325

          #79
          Originally posted by TongueNGroove
          A legend in his own MIND maybe.
          What a fucking idiot.

          EVH would not have made the mark he did playing sabbath and cream covers.

          He's be a forgotten shredder only guitar enthusiasts would still appreciate.

          Dave took them from backyards and schools to clubs.

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          • nosuchluck
            Sniper
            • Aug 2004
            • 951

            #80
            EVH was definitely not the most accomplished player of the time.
            DLR made the difference.

            Ed would probably be as under-appreciated as someone like Shawn Lane (who at the time was making waves touring with BOA) or Uli Roth who just has a strong cult following.

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            • philouze
              Banned
              • Mar 2004
              • 2171

              #81
              Why can't I like both eras ?
              I'll let u meditate on this, cockroach dick:

              Sam's a miserable piece (piss) of shit
              And for God's fuckin Sake:

              DAVE'S THE MAN

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              • scottydabodi
                Crazy Ass Mofo
                • Jun 2004
                • 2541

                #82
                Originally posted by Matt White
                Another example of why Scottydabodi is a legend in his own time.

                DAVE OR THE GRAVE MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!
                Dave or the FUCKING Grave PERIOD!!! Matt Rocks!!
                If you listen to fools
                The Mob Rules

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                • Wayne L.

                  #83
                  The so called fans that whine about Dave or Sammy or whoever as frontman in Van Halen constantly keep forgetting it's Eddie's band in the first place even though you wouldn't know it sadly. I know & everybody else should know that David Lee Roth is one of the greatest frontmen in rock with few equals during his VH days along with those first six important classic rock albums. I first became aware of Sammy Hagar back in 81 after Montrose & before VH but all this constant criticism by so called fans is just whining by spoiled brats.

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                  • Golden AWe
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 34245

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Wayne L.
                    The so called fans that whine about Dave or Sammy or whoever as frontman in Van Halen constantly keep forgetting it's Eddie's band in the first place even though you wouldn't know it sadly. I know & everybody else should know that David Lee Roth is one of the greatest frontmen in rock with few equals during his VH days along with those first six important classic rock albums. I first became aware of Sammy Hagar back in 81 after Montrose & before VH but all this constant criticism by so called fans is just whining by spoiled brats.
                    i repeat:

                    this thread is like defending a bisexual man by saying "why can't you like both men and women"

                    well, the heterosexual men love pussy.

                    bisexual men love pussy too, but will always be remember as knights of the brown hole.
                    Originally posted by Cato
                    Golden, why are you FAT?
                    Originally posted by lesfunk
                    Much like yourself as the Jim Morrison of Nazi bunker flies
                    http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...TheDMCross.jpg

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                    • Golden AWe
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 34245

                      #85
                      and i'll keep on saying the same until people like wayne l. will get it.
                      Originally posted by Cato
                      Golden, why are you FAT?
                      Originally posted by lesfunk
                      Much like yourself as the Jim Morrison of Nazi bunker flies
                      http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...TheDMCross.jpg

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                      • CROWBAR
                        Commando
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 1283

                        #86
                        Originally posted by Wayne L.
                        The so called fans that whine about Dave or Sammy or whoever as frontman in Van Halen constantly keep forgetting it's Eddie's band in the first place even though you wouldn't know it sadly. I know & everybody else should know that David Lee Roth is one of the greatest frontmen in rock with few equals during his VH days along with those first six important classic rock albums. I first became aware of Sammy Hagar back in 81 after Montrose & before VH but all this constant criticism by so called fans is just whining by spoiled brats.
                        idjit!:D

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                        • scottydabodi
                          Crazy Ass Mofo
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 2541

                          #87
                          I think for that post, Wayne L deserves an Estrada...
                          If you listen to fools
                          The Mob Rules

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                          • interceptor
                            Groupie
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 55

                            #88
                            Originally posted by Switch84
                            :D You tell 'em, bueno bob! What burns my butt about the Dave-haters is the fact that these Eddie sheep believes that Davy Baby stepped into a ready-made band, and THAT'S NOT TRUE! Those fuckers weren't even "Van Halen" when Dave met them; they were calling themselves MAMMOTH.

                            It's the combination of Dave's showmanship/lyricism and Eddie's musicianship that made that band as great as it was. Shit, even Mike Anthony was a 'replacement player' for chrissakes! The sheep probably don't know their original bassist was Mike Stone.


                            Enough of the Dave hating already!
                            The bass player was Mark Stone, you short bus riding tard!! Try typing with your good hand next time instead of the curled up one banging against your sternum!!!! Just giving you shit, bud, but I really think it was Mark instead of Mike....and Golden Awe, your a funny ass M'fer!!!! Brown Hole aviator??? LMFAO!!!!

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                            • BrownSound1
                              ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 3025

                              #89
                              Here's a fact....Ed and Al couldn't get a club gig until Dave got in the band. Just because you're an extremely talented musician doesn't mean that you will automatically make it in the music biz. Ed and Al didn't know how to sell their product, and Dave basically showed them how by making it more accessible to the common folk.

                              Now back to the original question...I don't see how anyone can embrace Van Hagar as the same band, because it is not. Had Van Hagar continued on the same musical path, and kept that same attitude then you MIGHT could make an argument...like AC/DC did for instance. However, you're talking about a complete musical 180 when considering Van Hagar. Hell they went from being one of the most rocking bands of all time to being REO Speedwagon with a better guitarist in a one album span. Lovey dovey, touchy feely, suddenly I walked her home lyrics and music...puuuuhhhleeeezzzee. I guess if you like that kind of thing it's ok, but I personally think that shit is gay. There are some things guitar wise that Edward did with Van Hagar that were cool, but I kept saying...wonder how badass this would have been with Dave in the band.

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                              • Rikk
                                DIAMOND STATUS
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 16518

                                #90
                                Cunt!

                                Originally posted by rockvanhalen66
                                now sambo you need a cd player first..
                                SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET BACK IN THE FUCKING PEN!!!
                                Roth Army Militia

                                Originally posted by WARF
                                Rikk - The new school of the Roth Army... this dude leads the pack... three words... The Sheep Pen... this dude opened alot of doors for people during this new era... he's the best of the new school.

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