Van Halen is beyond repair

[lesfunk]

I agree with Terry 100%

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
true enough. But I question what 5150 would've sounded like had Roth sang on it and not Hagar. There would be no dreams, love walks in or why cant this be love. Thats for sure.

Very true. Makes you wonder if maybe there's some stuff floating around somewhere that was dicked around with in the studio in 85 that hasn't surfaced...I'd almost bet money there is, even if it's just half assed shit that hadn't even been really worked on. I can see Dave putting some work on something like Get Up, Good Enough, and maybe 5150 (the song), with David attending those lyrically and the loss of the electronic percussion, the replacement of dreams, love walks in and why cant this be love (as mentioned), in place of that 3 other songs...

Would have been interesting. The world will never know, sadly.

[Roth & Roll]

Terry, as usual another insightful and dead-on accurate post.
I agree with you 100%.

The time was in '96 - when opportunity knocks you've got to answer the door. The problem is that Eddie and Al weren't home.

[bueno bob]

They were home, they just were too drunk to find the door.

[fanofdave]

yes, it's true that van hagar has watered down the legend
of the once mighty VH band. BUT....

whenever I listen to "Me Wise Magic" and "Can't Get This
Stuff No More" you see what a good shot of Dave can do
to reenergize the band. Ed tore up the guitar on MWM
and I believe its because Dave brings out the best in the
band. Since Dave is still kicking ass (at age 50, I might add)
he can still do the same motivating to those other lame
fuckers. Do I think they'll ever reunite? It's not looking
good; but Do I think there's still some rock and roll left
in the original lineup if they did reunite? You bet your
fucking ass I do. Dave hasn't disappointed before and
he wouldn't start if the 5150 head fluffers would wake up
and get with the program.

[chefcraig]

Originally posted by fanofdave
yes, it's true that van hagar has watered down the legend
of the once mighty VH band. BUT....

whenever I listen to "Me Wise Magic" and "Can't Get This
Stuff No More" you see what a good shot of Dave can do
to reenergize the band. Ed tore up the guitar on MWM
and I believe its because Dave brings out the best in the
band. Since Dave is still kicking ass (at age 50, I might add)
he can still do the same motivating to those other lame
fuckers. Do I think they'll ever reunite? It's not looking
good; but Do I think there's still some rock and roll left
in the original lineup if they did reunite? You bet your
fucking ass I do. Dave hasn't disappointed before and
he wouldn't start if the 5150 head fluffers would wake up
and get with the program.

You see...Dave suppying inspiration is not the problem, it's if Ed Van Halen reponds to it.

I've seen first hand (and heard the bootlegs of) Ed's playing on this tour...It may seem fantastic to someone whom has never heard the band, yet to me it is simply depressing.

At this point, Dave and his backing group treat the music with more conviction and respect.

Studio wise, in a controlled environment with a strong producer, I believe it would work, as one can repair mistakes.

Live, bearing witness to Ed's current state...forget it.

IMHO.
...craig

[bueno bob]

A lot of things would have to work out...

Sam would have to go, period; Dave would have to agree to talk; Al and David would have to bury the hatchet or else the whole thing'll fall apart in under a month; Ted Templeman and Don Landee should be brought back on board; renegotiate a deal with Warner Bros.; Ed needs to get dried out and re-dedicate himself to playing, period, with no outside distractions; the profits from all Van Halen ventures with Roth past, present and future need to be split 25% each across the board (otherwise it becomes a study in "Kiss' How To Ruin A Reunion 101")...

A LOT of work for that all to fall into place.

Now, stranger things have happened, but...I don't know...

[sambo]

Not sure whether they can pull it off... a lot needs to happen.. I hope so, but Dave could very well say "fuck you" to the lot of them.. no matter what the sisters intentions. Maybe they had their chance in 1996 and they fucked it, and Dave does not want to go down that path again.

No one to blame but themselves.

It's hard not to be cynical...

[Bill Lumbergh]

I think I have YET to disagree with a Terry post......right on the money again. And BT, shut up........what would you do without Dreams etc. those are the soundtrack of your life! :D

[BIG GOOSE]

Originally posted by bueno bob
Well, Sam and Ed together...I think Ed was pussifying himself and his music pretty well and Sam was just the right singer to do it with. 1984 (DONT GET ME WRONG, LOVE THE ALBUM!!!!) was, at times, a more friendly Van Halen than before, and I think Ed was going to take it in a radio-friendly direction anyway. Had Roth not quit in 85, he would have been handed the music for 5150 in late 85 and been fired after he told them what kind of crap it was, then VH would have made the announcement that they were looking for a new lead singer...point of the matter is, you'd have had 5150 in 87 rather than 86.

Was bound to happen.

I'm NOT apologizing for Hagar in any way, shape or form; merely stating that it was a tag-team effort between the two of them to water down Van Halen to the point of almost complete unrecognition, which is what Ed no doubt wanted in the first place.

This is a most excellent post.5 to you !!

[stilleddiesangel]

Cant agree with the "used" word where Dave's concerned. I find it difficult to believe Dave could be used by anyone. Roth's far too switch on for that, Dave is always thinking 2 steps ahead and he pretty much got the senario straight from the start but went with it to see where it would go. Ed has said to Dave that he's jealous of Dave's ability to do exactly what he wants when he wants without the pressures of Management, band etc. Whether that be musically or with his adventures, Dave just sees what he wants to do and goes for it. I love Ed to bits but u can see he's intimidated by Roth's character.

96 was a HUGE wasted opportunity, both Dave and VH had matured musically and the result was MWM which is IMO one of the best songs I have ever (non-vh included) ever heard. Ed's on fire and Dave's superb. The arrogance, and the ATTITUDE came back in one magnificent swoop. What a shame there wasn't more.

[RogueHorseman]

Originally posted by stilleddiesange
96 was a HUGE wasted opportunity, both Dave and VH had matured musically and the result was MWM which is IMO one of the best songs I have ever (non-vh included) ever heard. Ed's on fire and Dave's superb. The arrogance, and the ATTITUDE came back in one magnificent swoop. What a shame there wasn't more.

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