The Alias Report

[Hyman Roth]

Originally posted by katie


Hyman (fuckhowardstern) Stop crying
If you can't handle it here anymore then fuck off back the links.

Have a great day

X

Well - I never posted at the links and in fact I can probably count the times on both hands that I have even lurked over there. But whatever - you, for once, are absolutely right otherwise. There are a million more entertaining sites than this lame crap. Have fun with your twisted, cowardly, high school games, whoeveryou are this login.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by bueno bob
Back in the day, there were a lot of aliases around here that were pretty funny. Unfortunately, most of the new school hasn't taken away the two most important elements - the necessary degree of self-depreciation and humor.

When it comes to aliases, I'm guilty, sure. But I can see the humor in an alias, so long as it's done right. Three Lock Rock, for instance, was a raging success and a nice little "community project", so to speak - at first. The mistake with him was that when it was time to say enough, we only said "more". Of course, I'm not alone in that guilt, but I've 'seen the light' in the time since.

I'm proud to say that I haven't operated an alias in a VERY long time now...and the last time 3LR raised his head, he was shut down VERY quickly, which was really the last bit of the icing on the cake, and I'm fine with that.

The new aliases/trolls...just don't really know how to do it right, not like some of the older guys did. And hell, if I can say any one thing for certain, it's that I learned from watching some of the best in the business.

I don't honestly think it's anything to be upset over, though.

Some people get really, really upset over nothing apparently...

I can't even remember any recent alias of note except GAR's "BlimpyCHIMP" crap...

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Originally posted by Hyman Roth
I disagree but I would be slightly interested to hear how you may think my sense of humor is limited. I may even check this thread again before I go to sleep.

Yes, I agree, Jesus Christ and Satan are funny - but that's Ford. Everybody knows its Ford and Ford is funny. And some of the Katydid aliases were hilarious and if Joe Thunder is an alias (which surely he was) that was funny too.

I fail to see any humor in what I described in my most recent post. In fact I think its pretty cowardly and pussy behaviour, truth be told. And I similarly don't see anything funny in the fact that entertaining, good posters and loyal Dave fans are being driven away from posting at the site (and again I'm not talking of myself). Maybe that's the way y'all want it. I don't give a shit.

I mean in the way you clearly take the internet way too seriously.

If the aliases piss you off...ignore them...

Find that common thing we all share...real life problems.

[Matt White]

Originally posted by Hyman Roth
And I similarly don't see anything funny in the fact that entertaining, good posters and loyal Dave fans are being driven away from posting at the site (and again I'm not talking of myself). Maybe that's the way y'all want it. I don't give a shit.

Sad but true...and its been going on for a LOOOoooooong time...

some have been banned from the site for crossing the line...

some freaks refuse to stay away.....

I think the nail was hit upon the head...the site is aboot DAVID LEE ROTH & CLASSIC VAN HALEN.......

the rest? Some entertaining bits...some funny stuff...some not so funny stuff...some boring shit...and some flat out tasteless people....

In the end?

Its only the net....

Most peoples interest goes thru a natural ebb/flow....

almost everyone here has logged off for extended periods.....

Why do they come back?

THE TOASTMASTER GENERAL.....

and...POPGEAR...UH uUHhuH U uh HU huH U hu UH uh uhhu

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
:confused:

wtf is up Hyman's ass lately?

Seems like ever since we shut down Julia he's been a lot less Roth, and alot more, well..... Hymen.

someone pull out his tampon before toxic shock sets in...

He's a mental case that can't help from having periotic online meltdowns...

I think this subject is what caused him to fall apart and be demodded at DDLR...

I have no idea how someone can have so much emotion over so little...

[Nickdfresh]

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[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Matt White
Decent enough guy.....

if what he says is true...and I have no reason to doubt 'em...thats fucked up....


yeah...there are some guttless wonders who have to resort to aliases to vent their frustrations....but...thats life in the big city

Funny, but he didn't seem to mind mentioning Fryingdutchman being a pedophile after a flamewar they had, even making up phony quotes to put in his sig...

I think you sort of reap what you sew...

[katie]

Originally posted by Hyman-Gary Glitter- Roth
Well - I never posted at the links and in fact I can probably count the times on both hands that I have even lurked over there. But whatever - you, for once, are absolutely right otherwise. There are a million more entertaining sites than this lame crap. Have fun with your twisted, cowardly, high school games, whoeveryou are this login.

Another one bites the dust.......

[bueno bob]

Probably 96% or better of ALL the aliases that have registered at this site are by and large harmless, and have proven to be harmless fun. Sometimes it goes beyond fun into overkill, sure. And, very rarely, it occasionally goes WAY over the overkill line, also, into the "real life issue" arena (although that's been (thankfully) very few and far between here).

Honestly, I've posted on other message boards where the spillover into real life from the board is so ridiculously large, it'd make the problems experienced between here, the Links and DDLR.com combined look like a walk in the park on a Sunday afternoon by way of comparison.

When an alias gets to THAT level of harassment or whatever, it's not a reflection on the site, it's a reflection on the instigator, and that goes for not only this site but any other.

Posting on the internet is a double edged sword and you run a degree of risk when you register at ANY website at all. There's no telling who you're going to piss off, who's going to take a shot at you or even how far they'll go. There are a couple of victims in Texas with a burned down mobile home that'll attest to that. And a firebomber currently sitting in jail that'll attest to it as well, for that matter.

So...I don't know...whatever the point is, it is. I certainly don't think it's "fun" or "interesting" to take an alias to the level that you're suggesting, Hyman...honestly, I don't see how you could read that into what I wrote originally on the topic.

Hell, man, were it me in your shoes, having THAT kind of issues? I'd have logged off a LONG time back and not looked back, either.

[Hyman Roth]

“…it's not a reflection on the site, it's a reflection on the instigator…”

Maybe. But if the alias is a mod himself, like you confirmed for me in this post:

http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51688&perpage=30&pagenumber=1#vbform

Originally posted by bueno bob
I should SO edit that...

Steve, remember - I was HARDLY the only "Three Lock Rock" around this joint...there were a couple of other guilty parties, most of whom are now (or were) mods anyway...

On top of that, the "Three Lock Rock" alias bit existed LONG before I thought of the idea...just under different guises...and with different people running different names...

Most of the so-called "Power Players" on just about every Van Halen site are or have been guilty of stirring the shitpot on at least one occasion...

Short of your O/C behavioral patterns, I can't for the life of me imagine why you're still bitching about it after all this time?

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled Branigan Links...

sorry, it’s a reflection of the site.

I suspect it is a mod, or two, or a former mod or webbie – who really cares, which is behind all the gay alias trolling. I suspect that there is free discussion about it in the mod room and all mods are privy to more knowledge about the identity of the aliases than the average poster. Of course I could be wrong and it really doesn’t matter anyway. It is just a fucking messageboard - you’re flat wrong if you think I take this shit seriously.

Furthermore, the text messages from the pussy who sent them revealed prima facie that the perpetrator didn’t have a clue. In fact, the number I gave out to Pojo, which was taken by someone pilfering through my Roth Army PMs, is one of five telephone numbers I have, and a personal line at that, which I had set up years ago on my father’s family plan (not even in my name). Now I might be impressed if the fuckhead sent me a facsimile. And I was reasonably impressed when I saw a new user signed up recently in between all the new Thunder aliases, using my first name and two letters of my last name. Since they were about 5 letters off, I guess that’s no cause for worry, right?

“…Hyman...honestly, I don't see how you could read that into what I wrote originally on the topic…”

Well…I drug up this thread a few weeks ago. I have been complaining in some of my 4.7 posts per day, about how pussy it is to take someone on in an alias name and to troll around on the messageboard starting shit in general (and I know everyone reads all these gay alias flame wars) – I guess I was looking for other posters I thought were cool and I thought had some integrity (or at least posters who had complained about it in the thread previous to my bump) to step up and say “yeah – that shit is gay.” Instead, I get the Binnie-Bob-Dan is everybody routine, Shaun genuinely perplexed as to why I can’t find it funny under the circumstances and Matt White speaking in riddles…indifference, at best.

“….Hell, man, were it me in your shoes, having THAT kind of issues? I'd have logged off a LONG time back and not looked back, either.”

Yeah…um…I think I get the message here. That’s either a management endorsed GTFO or the aliases really do speak for the mods and the masses: I am the new Joe Thunder. Whatever – I’m pretty non-judgmental about how people get their kicks and if I gave a fuck, I guess I would be upset. Have fun.

[Matt White]

Originally posted by Hyman Roth
[B]“…and Matt White speaking in riddles…indifference, at best.

NO Hyman...indifference is aboot as far from the truth as possible....

THe gist of the situation...as I assume you already know...is that very little can actually be done aboot the situation by the "Mods"....

Since you've been a Mod...and know the limitations of the role...I'm kinda perplexed at the insinuation...

Mod can check IPs 'till their blue in the face...very difficult to prove the identity of an "alias"......trust me...there are a few I'd still like to know the true identity of....

What I was trying to say...and somehow missed the mark...is that the majority of veteran peeps here have had an "alias" who they tangled with...FASTERPUSSYCAT comes to mind.....

We never really "discovered" the true identities of these maggots...we just dealt with 'em...or crushed them.....

I don't think the ROTH ARMY is any different in that regard than any other fan site....but to somehow think that the "management" somehow turns a blind eye to the situation?

DO you really think SARGE...or the Dudes he has in charge have nothing else to do but ref petty arguements?

Strikes me as kinda funny...but it seems that the people who are nothing but nice on this site rarely have this problem...

The posters who have an attitude...and have no trouble telling people what they think...are a magnet for the cowards who resort to aliases....

When I just talked DAVE & the band...never had a problem.....

When I joined up with a certain "band" of likeminded zealots?

POW!!!!

so yeah...it kinda comes with the territory.....though to the extent you described is horseshit...and I'd take it to the highest ranking people here I could.....

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Hyman Roth
“…it's not a reflection on the site, it's a reflection on the instigator…”

Maybe. But if the alias is a mod himself, like you confirmed for me in this post:

http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51688&perpage=30&pagenumber=1#vbform

sorry, it’s a reflection of the site.

Well, you have to keep in mind, here, that of the "Not Ready for Prime Time Players" version of the Sheep Pen, none of us were mods when Three Lock Rock first reared his head. Well...I don't know, Max might have been a mod at the time, but...whatever...

In any regards, Three Lock Rock was a bit of an "April Fools" prank on the Army, and when the rest of the Pen got wind that it was me, it just kinda expanded to all of us...at any given point, it could have been myself...Nickd...Rikk...Lumbergh...Matt...7884...e ven Max and DG took a run with him for a spell, if I was informed correctly.

And like I said, it wasn't like it was any sort of original idea. It was good fun for a while. Got a lot of people riled up for sure, no doubt of that, and added a LOT of life to what was at that time a very dead Main forum.

Still, that doesn't reflect on management. Management determined that it was by and large harmless, therefore nothing was done about it. Were Three Lock Rock making death threats, pilfering through PMs or whatever else, that would have been a VERY different story, I'm sure.

The Three Lock Rock example is just one of many, of course...and that is, generally speaking, the state of aliases here.

Originally posted by Hyman Roth
I suspect it is a mod, or two, or a former mod or webbie – who really cares, which is behind all the gay alias trolling. I suspect that there is free discussion about it in the mod room and all mods are privy to more knowledge about the identity of the aliases than the average poster. Of course I could be wrong and it really doesn’t matter anyway. It is just a fucking message board - you’re flat wrong if you think I take this shit seriously.

It may be a bit presumptive on my part to say so, but if I was personally going through all of the experiences you describe, hell yes I'd take it seriously.

Originally posted by Hyman Roth
Furthermore, the text messages from the pussy who sent them revealed prima facie that the perpetrator didn’t have a clue. In fact, the number I gave out to Pojo, which was taken by someone pilfering through my Roth Army PMs, is one of five telephone numbers I have, and a personal line at that, which I had set up years ago on my father’s family plan (not even in my name). Now I might be impressed if the fuckhead sent me a facsimile. And I was reasonably impressed when I saw a new user signed up recently in between all the new Thunder aliases, using my first name and two letters of my last name. Since they were about 5 letters off, I guess that’s no cause for worry, right?

Again, there's a distinction here. The average alias is harmless and nothing to be overly concerned about. Which is not what you're talking about, but I assume it's a deeper personal issue with somebody specific, so...I don't know anything about that...

Originally posted by Hyman Roth
“…Hyman...honestly, I don't see how you could read that into what I wrote originally on the topic…”

Well…I drug up this thread a few weeks ago. I have been complaining in some of my 4.7 posts per day, about how pussy it is to take someone on in an alias name and to troll around on the message board starting shit in general (and I know everyone reads all these gay alias flame wars) – I guess I was looking for other posters I thought were cool and I thought had some integrity (or at least posters who had complained about it in the thread previous to my bump) to step up and say “yeah – that shit is gay.” Instead, I get the Binnie-Bob-Dan is everybody routine, Shaun genuinely perplexed as to why I can’t find it funny under the circumstances and Matt White speaking in riddles…indifference, at best.

Well, what would you have us do about it? We post the way we post; if you're having a real life issue with somebody stalking you or whatever...that's in your ballpark to fix, however you have to do it...

Originally posted by Hyman Roth
“….Hell, man, were it me in your shoes, having THAT kind of issues? I'd have logged off a LONG time back and not looked back, either.”

Yeah…um…I think I get the message here. That’s either a management endorsed GTFO or the aliases really do speak for the mods and the masses: I am the new Joe Thunder. Whatever – I’m pretty non-judgmental about how people get their kicks and if I gave a fuck, I guess I would be upset. Have fun.

I'm not telling you to get the fuck out or anything related, I'm saying that if you think that you have a SERIOUS, REAL LIFE issue with being stalked by somebody online, than there are probably better alternatives than going to the stalker's home and complaining about it in an open forum.

I have been complaining...about how pussy it is to take someone on in an alias name and to troll around on the message board starting shit in general...I guess I was looking for other posters I thought were cool and I thought had some integrity...to step up and say “yeah – that shit is gay.”

Well, sure, in the case YOU'RE describing, I don't think anybody's going to disagree with you. But even if you had found some "cool posters with integrity", what good would that have done?

Seriously, you can post here until you're blue in the face for as much vested interest in that matter as I have, and I don't care one whit at all...but I really don't think that finding other cool posters with integrity here is going to do much to solve what you're describing as being a real life issue...

[Matt White]

This guy is a Lawyer?!?


I think NICK was right on the mark....

MELTDOWN.....

lets try and talk the guy down from the ledge......

One minute he's holding SHESH's feet to the fire...and now this?

Maybe FLAPPO can talk some sense to him.....:confused:

[Dan]

.” Instead, I get the Binnie-Bob-Dan is everybody routine, Shaun genuinely perplexed as to why I can’t find it funny under the circumstances and Matt White speaking in riddles…indifference, at best.

Damn That Routine Of Ours.

[rustoffa]

Having read through the couple of pages before this one, I find myself right where I started. It's kinda like running out of chalk during a physics exam...if you're drunk and paranoid. Maybe there's a whole stick of chalk on the tray? Did I mention old-school physics exams are occasionally on chalkboards? That's right, in the plural. One on the left, one in the front, and one on the right. Back to the couple of pages.....

Here goes:

Dealing with aliases is like playing chinese checkers. Keeping your marbles together.....striving for alignment. Maybe it's more like playing Operation...don't hit the sides and shit? Chess...Monopoly....Risk...Clue..

When the going get's tough, you always have the option of throwing the fucking board against the wall.

You_Can_Trust_Me

Remember that??