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  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
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    Is God pro-war ??

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    "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace."
    (Ecclesiastes 3:1-8)
    Christians have struggled with the issue of war for centuries. Before Jesus arrived on the scene, all good people wrestled with war and the existence of evil. Thankfully, the Bible is not silent on the subject.

    Before we examine war, though, let's look at the God of Peace.

    One of God's primary attributes is peace. Isaiah said the Messiah would bear these names: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6). God longs for all people to live in peace. That is how He created the universe – in total peace and harmony.

    Christians are to be people of peace.

    One of the most notable biblical commands to live in peace is in Romans 12:18: "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."

    With the Bible clear on our responsibility to live peaceably, it seems that there would be no reason to ever go to war. However, if one depends on the Bible as a guidepost for living, it is readily apparent that war is sometimes a necessary option. In fact, just as there are numerous references to peace in the Bible, there are frequent references to God-ordained war.

    Many present-day pacifists hold Jesus as their example for unvarying peace. But they ignore the full revelation concerning Jesus pictured in the book of Revelation 19, where He is depicted bearing a "sharp sword" and smiting nations, ruling them with "a rod of iron."

    Moreover, the Song of Victory in Exodus 15 hails God as a God of war: "… The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name." And, as the verses that open this column indicate, there is indeed a time for war.

    God actually strengthened individuals for war, including Moses, Joshua and many of the Old Testament judges who demonstrated great faith in battle. And God destroyed many armies challenging the Israelites. I Chronicles 14:15 describes God striking down the Philistines.

    God even gives counsel to be wise in war. Proverbs 20:18: "Every purpose is established by counsel: and with good advice make war."

    Today, America continues to face the horrible realities of our fallen world. Suicide bombings and terrorist actions are beamed live into our homes daily. This serves as a constant reminder of the frailty of our flesh.

    It is apparent that our God-authored freedoms must be defended.

    Throughout the book of Judges, God calls the Israelites to go to war against the Midianites and Philistines. Why? Because these nations were trying to conquer Israel, and God's people were called to defend themselves.

    President Bush declared war in Iraq to defend innocent people. This is a worthy pursuit. In fact, Proverbs 21:15 tells us: "It is joy to the just to do judgment: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity."

    One of the primary purposes of the church is to stop the spread of evil, even at the cost of human lives. If we do not stop the spread of evil, many innocent lives will be lost and the kingdom of God suffers.

    Finally, some reading this column will surely ask, "Doesn't the sixth commandment say, 'Thou shalt not kill?'"

    Actually, no; it says: "Thou shalt not commit murder."

    There is a difference between killing and murdering. In fact, many times God commanded capital punishment for those who break the law.

    We continue to live in violent times. The Bible tells us war will be a reality until Christ returns. And when the time is right, Jesus will indeed come again, ending all wars.

    Until that time, however, Christians must live as Galatians 6:2 instructs: "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ."



  • Angel
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Jan 2004
    • 7481

    #2
    You posting fairy tales again there, Elvis?
    "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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    • ELVIS
      Banned
      • Dec 2003
      • 44120

      #3
      God and the Bible are fairy tales ??

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      • lms2

        #4
        I think stories of peace are fairy tales...

        they are really just the calm before the storm.

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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49205

          #5
          God didn't write the Bible, men did!

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          • LoungeMachine
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Jul 2004
            • 32576

            #6
            Anyone who takes the Bible LITERALLY is a fucking dolt.

            ELVIS, don't quote Scripture unless you're prepared to stand behind EVERY WORD.

            It's just too convenient for you Christians to take the parts that serve your purposes out of context.
            Originally posted by Kristy
            Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
            Originally posted by cadaverdog
            I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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            • Mezro
              Full Member Status

              • May 2004
              • 4153

              #7
              Originally posted by ELVIS
              God and the Bible are fairy tales ??
              Yes.

              Mezro...if you want to study fictional literature with a message why not Dr. Seuss's Oh, The Places You Will Go or Green Eggs & Ham...
              Got me a date with a shaved Asian. I know, I know; I think it's fucked!

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              • BigBadBrian
                TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                • Jan 2004
                • 10625

                #8
                Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                Anyone who takes the Bible LITERALLY is a fucking dolt.

                ELVIS, don't quote Scripture unless you're prepared to stand behind EVERY WORD.

                It's just too convenient for you Christians to take the parts that serve your purposes out of context.
                The opposite is also true.
                “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                • LoungeMachine
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 32576

                  #9
                  Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                  The opposite is also true.
                  How so B3?
                  Originally posted by Kristy
                  Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                  Originally posted by cadaverdog
                  I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                  • BigBadBrian
                    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 10625

                    #10
                    Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                    How so B3?
                    I'm not here to get into any drawn out theological discussions, but atheists such as yourself have a tendency to take scripture for their own purposes and use them for their own agendas in the same manner that they accuse Christians of doing.
                    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                    • LoungeMachine
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 32576

                      #11
                      Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                      I'm not here to get into any drawn out theological discussions, but atheists such as yourself have a tendency to take scripture for their own purposes and use them for their own agendas in the same manner that they accuse Christians of doing.
                      agnostic, not atheist, bud.

                      I believe in a supreme Being, just not the Fairy Tales within the Bible.

                      Why do religious nuts always need to paint us "other" believers as ATHEISTS??

                      I dont want some drawn out battle here either. No side will convert the other. I just HATE Bible Thumpers who pick and choose what parts to believe
                      Originally posted by Kristy
                      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                      Originally posted by cadaverdog
                      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                      • LoungeMachine
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 32576

                        #12
                        What Is an agnostic?
                        An agnostic thinks it impossible to know the truth in matters such as God and the future life with which Christianity and other religions are concerned. Or, if not impossible, at least impossible at the present time.

                        Are agnostics atheists?
                        No. An atheist, like a Christian, holds that we can know whether or not there is a God. The Christian holds that we can know there is a God; the atheist, that we can know there is not. The Agnostic suspends judgment, saying that there are not sufficient grounds either for affirmation or for denial. At the same time, an Agnostic may hold that the existence of God, though not impossible, is very improbable; he may even hold it so improbable that it is not worth considering in practice. In that case, he is not far removed from atheism. His attitude may be that which a careful philosopher would have towards the gods of ancient Greece. If I were asked to prove that Zeus and Poseidon and Hera and the rest of the Olympians do not exist, I should be at a loss to find conclusive arguments. An Agnostic may think the Christian God as improbable as the Olympians; in that case, he is, for practical purposes, at one with the atheists.
                        Originally posted by Kristy
                        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                        Originally posted by cadaverdog
                        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                        • Jesus Christ
                          Veteran
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 2428

                          #13
                          Re: Is God pro-war ??

                          [QUOTE]Originally posted by ELVIS



                          "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace."
                          (Ecclesiastes 3:1-8)


                          Verily a good writing then, and just as so later when the Byrds did write music unto it. But do not misundertand these words, My children. Just because it referreth to a "time of war" does not mean that war hath My endorsement or My Dad's.

                          Christians have struggled with the issue of war for centuries. Before Jesus arrived on the scene, all good people wrestled with war and the existence of evil. Thankfully, the Bible is not silent on the subject.

                          Before we examine war, though, let's look at the God of Peace.

                          One of God's primary attributes is peace. Isaiah said the Messiah would bear these names: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6). God longs for all people to live in peace. That is how He created the universe – in total peace and harmony.

                          Christians are to be people of peace.


                          Verily. So what is thy problem then? :confused:

                          One of the most notable biblical commands to live in peace is in Romans 12:18: "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."

                          With the Bible clear on our responsibility to live peaceably, it seems that there would be no reason to ever go to war. However, if one depends on the Bible as a guidepost for living, it is readily apparent that war is sometimes a necessary option. In fact, just as there are numerous references to peace in the Bible, there are frequent references to God-ordained war.


                          And none of them include plundering the natural resources of a nation, nor building a house of lies with which to justify it.

                          Many present-day pacifists hold Jesus as their example for unvarying peace. But they ignore the full revelation concerning Jesus pictured in the book of Revelation 19, where He is depicted bearing a "sharp sword" and smiting nations, ruling them with "a rod of iron."

                          These are the words of men, not Mine. For I will come back and destroy them which destroy the world, but I will not do so, as mortal men do, in the name of greed and misplaced nationalism, but to put an end to evil and establish My Kingdom.

                          Moreover, the Song of Victory in Exodus 15 hails God as a God of war: "… The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name." And, as the verses that open this column indicate, there is indeed a time for war.

                          God actually strengthened individuals for war, including Moses, Joshua and many of the Old Testament judges who demonstrated great faith in battle. And God destroyed many armies challenging the Israelites. I Chronicles 14:15 describes God striking down the Philistines.

                          God even gives counsel to be wise in war. Proverbs 20:18: "Every purpose is established by counsel: and with good advice make war."


                          Verily, the Son of Bush should hath read such Scriptures. For ye hath all seen what happenned when war is made with bad advice. My children, if ye cannot understand the difference between joining a war to stop one such as Hitler, and starting a war against a nation that does not threaten thee, then even the Son of Man may not convince you of the Truth. Until the day that ye see these warmongers cast into the Lake of Fire. Pray that ye not find yourselves among them.

                          Today, America continues to face the horrible realities of our fallen world. Suicide bombings and terrorist actions are beamed live into our homes daily. This serves as a constant reminder of the frailty of our flesh.

                          It is apparent that our God-authored freedoms must be defended.

                          Throughout the book of Judges, God calls the Israelites to go to war against the Midianites and Philistines. Why? Because these nations were trying to conquer Israel, and God's people were called to defend themselves.

                          President Bush declared war in Iraq to defend innocent people. This is a worthy pursuit. In fact, Proverbs 21:15 tells us: "It is joy to the just to do judgment: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity."


                          The Son of Bush careth not for innocent people or he would not hath killed 100,000 of them.

                          One of the primary purposes of the church is to stop the spread of evil, even at the cost of human lives.

                          Excuseth Me?? Which gospel are THEY reading??

                          If we do not stop the spread of evil, many innocent lives will be lost and the kingdom of God suffers.

                          The writers of these words obviously hath no clue what the Kingdom of God even is. As I hath said, My Kingdom is not of THIS world.

                          Finally, some reading this column will surely ask, "Doesn't the sixth commandment say, 'Thou shalt not kill?'"

                          Actually, no; it says: "Thou shalt not commit murder."


                          War under false pretenses IS murder.

                          There is a difference between killing and murdering. In fact, many times God commanded capital punishment for those who break the law.

                          And I, the Messiah, did once interrupt such a capital punishment, commanding that the first stone only be cast by one who was without sin. Turns out that I was the only one there who met that qualification. And verily hath the son of Bush not committed every single sin that he hath accused his enemies of?

                          We continue to live in violent times. The Bible tells us war will be a reality until Christ returns. And when the time is right, Jesus will indeed come again, ending all wars.

                          Until that time, however, Christians must live as Galatians 6:2 instructs: "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ."


                          One cannot fulfill My law if one hath not a clue what it is

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                          • ELVIS
                            Banned
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 44120

                            #14
                            I believe ALL of the Bible...

                            I do not take it literally, except the parts that are intended to be taken literally, and there are such parts...

                            In no way do I "pick and choose" what parts to believe...

                            I participate in church on a daily basis, I attended service at least twice a week...

                            Our pastor is an amazing teacher, and he absolutely lives by the word of God...

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                            • ELVIS
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 44120

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Jesus Christ
                              Originally posted by ELVIS



                              One of the primary purposes of the church is to stop the spread of evil, even at the cost of human lives.


                              Excuseth Me?? Which gospel are THEY reading??

                              Care to guesseth the name of the author ??

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