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  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120
    #31
    No way was Jesus about passivism!

    Why don't we just do away with the police, the military, or any authority ??

    We will just turn the other cheek when the evil of the world confronts us...

    C'mon dude!

    Jesus stood for justice...

    He surrendered to government authority...

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      • academic punk
        Full Member Status

        • Dec 2004
        • 4437
        #32
        he stopped the fighting between the apostles and the soldiers, and gave himself up to secular authorities.

        He also gave himself up to spiritual authorities (His Father, as opposed to the more luxurious - and less painful - temptation of the Devil).

        Oh, wait...I didn't mean "passive"...I meant "passifist", if that's the confusion.

        But the point is he didn't condone violence. In fact, he would repair the effects of violence as he could (restoring the soldiers ear after peter had torn it off with his sword).

        So citing Ecclesiastes (sp?) is more of an Old Testament God thang, which I always understaood was meant to be replaced with the new (and improved) testament god of love and forgiveness and redemption, Jesus.

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49219
            #33
            Originally posted by ELVIS
            No way was Jesus about passivism!

            Why don't we just do away with the police, the military, or any authority ??

            We will just turn the other cheek when the evil of the world confronts us...

            C'mon dude!

            Jesus stood for justice...

            He surrendered to government authority...
            I've heard some scholars think Jesus may have been a guerilla fighter against the Roman occupation in his twenties. Any comments on this? Was Jesus the Che' Guevara of Galilee?

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              • ELVIS
                Banned
                • Dec 2003
                • 44120
                #34
                But the point is he didn't condone violence.
                Yes, but defending law and justice is not violence, just as killing is not always murder...

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                  • ELVIS
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 44120
                    #35
                    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                    Any comments on this?
                    No, never heard of such things...

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                      • academic punk
                        Full Member Status

                        • Dec 2004
                        • 4437
                        #36
                        Originally posted by ELVIS
                        Yes, but defending law and justice is not violence, just as killing is not always murder...

                        as a student of law, I can assure you that law and justice are frequently two very seperate entiites

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                          • ELVIS
                            Banned
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 44120
                            #37
                            Originally posted by academic punk
                            So citing Ecclesiastes (sp?) is more of an Old Testament God thang, which I always understaood was meant to be replaced with the new (and improved) testament god of love and forgiveness and redemption, Jesus.
                            Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law of Moses or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them!

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                              • LoungeMachine
                                DIAMOND STATUS
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 32576
                                #38
                                Originally posted by ELVIS
                                I believe ALL of the Bible...

                                I do not take it literally, except the parts that are intended to be taken literally, and there are such parts...

                                In no way do I "pick and choose" what parts to believe...
                                EXCEPT the part that are INTENDED.............


                                unfuckingbelievable

                                Way to have it both ways.

                                Just WHO determines which parts are to be "taken literally"?
                                Originally posted by Kristy
                                Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                                Originally posted by cadaverdog
                                I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                                  • ELVIS
                                    Banned
                                    • Dec 2003
                                    • 44120
                                    #39
                                    Originally posted by academic punk
                                    as a student of law, I can assure you that law and justice are frequently two very seperate entiites
                                    As a former breaker of the law, who has seen my share of "justice", I believe that...

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                                      • ELVIS
                                        Banned
                                        • Dec 2003
                                        • 44120
                                        #40
                                        Originally posted by LoungeMachine

                                        Just WHO determines which parts are to be "taken literally"?
                                        It starts to become evident as you study God's word which parts are to be taken at face value, and which parts are more about their deeper meaning...

                                        That's what real bible study is about, especially in a group setting...

                                        I have had countless discussions with other Christians about these things...

                                        This is where a good spiritual leader and teacher is needed...

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                                          • academic punk
                                            Full Member Status

                                            • Dec 2004
                                            • 4437
                                            #41
                                            Originally posted by ELVIS
                                            As a former breaker of the law, who has seen my share of "justice", I believe that...

                                            Ah! Now this thread is getting interesting! Tell us how you do!

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                                              • ELVIS
                                                Banned
                                                • Dec 2003
                                                • 44120
                                                #42
                                                Most people here know my history...

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                                                  • LoungeMachine
                                                    DIAMOND STATUS
                                                    • Jul 2004
                                                    • 32576
                                                    #43
                                                    Originally posted by academic punk
                                                    Ah! Now this thread is getting interesting! Tell us how you do!
                                                    Oh great,

                                                    E is another Born-again sinner.

                                                    They're the most annoying of them all.

                                                    Religion - Opiate for the Masses
                                                    Originally posted by Kristy
                                                    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                                                    Originally posted by cadaverdog
                                                    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                                                      • LoungeMachine
                                                        DIAMOND STATUS
                                                        • Jul 2004
                                                        • 32576
                                                        #44
                                                        Originally posted by ELVIS
                                                        Most people here know my history...
                                                        He was born in a manger..............
                                                        Originally posted by Kristy
                                                        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                                                        Originally posted by cadaverdog
                                                        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                                                          • LoungeMachine
                                                            DIAMOND STATUS
                                                            • Jul 2004
                                                            • 32576
                                                            #45
                                                            Originally posted by ELVIS
                                                            Most people here know my history...
                                                            ...or was it a New Orleans Brothel?

                                                            i get confused
                                                            Originally posted by Kristy
                                                            Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                                                            Originally posted by cadaverdog
                                                            I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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