The NBA Playoffs 2006

[Brett]

Originally posted by Unchainme
Yes but he had respectable all-around stats and was a team leader in my eyes, I still think if you take Nash away from the Suns They're a playoff contender.

Of course. Put any half-way decent point guard on that team, and they're still a 50 win team. It's not him, it's the style of play and the players they have.

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by Brett
Well that's problem, we have people like you who think the NBA is better now than it was 20 years ago. Sad. There is nothing about the game that is better now.

You just hate the fact that I mention facts that easily refute your dumb arguments. If he had played for the fucking Suns or something, I still would have said it.

I don't think the league is better now.

Too many pussy fouls. Guys showing up the refs by hiding in their jerseys...throwing tantrums for the whole world to see because they don't agree on a call. They are stars and so don't get tossed. A lesser player would.

No respect for the officials. I hate it.

Thankfully, people have put soem serious thought into the MVP and qualities other than one-on-one plays in isolation are considered.

[Brett]

Oh is that your ridiculous jab at Kobe. You knew that was coming (again).

Always turn to that when you're losing an argument, it's a good defense.

Anytime a player like Steve Nash is given the MVP award in the NBA, you definitely know not to take it seriously. I think people have finally figured that out after this season. Maybe they'll revamp the awful voting system.

[Brett]

Oh BTW, how'd Raja Bell do on that All-Defense thing? Oh that's right, he didn't make it...on any team. Guess the media got that one wrong right?

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by Brett


Anytime a player like Steve Nash is given the MVP award in the NBA, you definitely know not to take it seriously.

You seem to.

Kobe has tantrums like a spoiled 12 year old. Seriously.

You think that is good sportmanship?

Would magic do that? No.
Worthy? No.

Explain to the refs your position and walk away.

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by Brett
Of course. Put any half-way decent point guard on that team, and they're still a 50 win team. It's not him, it's the style of play and the players they have.

Are they?

I am not so sure.

We will never know.

Just like we will never know if the lakers could have beaten the Suns if Kobe wasn't hated so much by his own teammates.

[Brett]

Yeah he's not a class individual like Raja Bell who clotheslines players and then has his mommy fight his battles for him. I hope she didn't hit Kobe with Raja's purse after Game 7.

Raja Bell is a punk, and obviously everyone knows his defense is obviously shit. I'd complain too.

Magic and Worthy have both thrown tantrums before, they weren't saints on the court. Don't change history.

Magic would have killed Raja Bell if he did what he did to Kobe. Michael Jordan would have done the same. Magic went after Isiah Thomas (his best friend) during the Finals after a hard foul.

[POJO_Risin]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
You guys talking about how other point guards IN OTHER YEARS deserve an MVP more than Nash.

Well geniuses, the MVP is an award awarded yearly, and is not a lifetime achievement award.

These Suns, other than Marion, were cast-offs. No one though they could help their team.

How does Marion get his points today? He can't be doubled because of Nash and how he make others dangerous. Nash has been there more than Marion these playoffs so fuck that story.

Again, just because the stats aren't there, like tonight, people start this "Oh, WTF an MVP can't do that" talk.

The Suns won the fucking game precisely because Nash could care less about himself.

Yes I know a novel concept in the NBA. Again, look at the cast of characters, how they have career years.

Yeah marion needs to play well. Have you seen Brand and that trailer park dude play in this series?

yeah Canada boy...I'm saying there are MORE DESERVING POINT GUARDS, WHO'S STATS AND TEAMS WERE BETTER BECAUSE OF THE AFOREMENTIONED POINT GUARDS. Yeah...guards that could also play D...could dish the ball better...and NEVER had let downs...that didn't win the award because there were BETTER PLAYERS than they were that year...in the same way that there are better players this year...

I am a genius...

Nothing I said had anything to do with A LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD you canadian moron...if you'd like...I could post several seasons by other point guards...that make Nash's wonderful season look like a high school cheerleader competition...

Now...as for your castoffs...Marion...in the seasons BEFORE Nash...averaged 19, 21 and 19 points a game...then with Nash...19 and 22...hmmmm....doesn't seem to be improving...does he...oh yeah...he was the ninth pick in the 97 draft...

Raja Bell...a defensive specialist...last year averaged 12.5 for Utah...a team that averaged 104 points a game...and didn't do much running...this year...14 and a half...and the team under DAntoni that averaged 111 points a game...yeah...some castoff...

Boris Diaw was the 21st pick in the first round...who did improve TREMENDOUSLY THIS YEAR...of course...it was the first year he started...and played 20 more minutes a game than his previous season...and oh yeah...

Barbosa...another first round pick by the Spurs...who is averaging 10 minutes more a game than last year, oh yeah...with Phoenix...yeah...he's playing more this year...and averaging 5 more a game...but if you average out what he would average over 48 minutes last year...and this year...it's only a 2 point difference...and could be attributed to more PT...more minutes...

Eddie House...3 point specialist...yeah...he improved...and is helped by Nash when Nash penetrates...

James Jones gets 6 more minutes a game...and his PPG average jumps up 4 1/2 points...seems about right...

Kurt Thomas's stats went down in both rebounding and points before he got hurt...that's probably his fault though...

Tim Thomas...the #7 pick a few years back...his stats went down as well...from the previous year...again...must have been his fault...

Your "cast off" is just plain wrong...these are all fantastic players...that are being spun as cast offs by media...and...apparently...Canadians...

Marion gets his points the same fucking way he ALWAYS GOT THEM...he's fucking good. And if you watched Phoenix over the years...you'd see that...

the year DAntoni took over that team...halfway through the year before Nash...the Suns went from averaging 95 pts a game...to 104 points a game...so Marion was putting up points in large chunks BEFORE the offense was a juggernaut...and the offense improved with DAntoni...BEFORE Nash...so spare me the overblown Nash bullshit...

The Suns won the game tonight...because Marion went the fuck off...as he can do...

not only that...but Marion...a forward...WAS GUARDING FUCKING SAM CASSELL...THE POINT GUARD...THAT NASH SHOULD BE GUARDING...AND MARION SHUT HIM DOWN...CASSELL SCORED 6 POINTS...

Nash can...and does...fucking disappear...no...not a lot...but he does...and did...and I can't remember...ever in my life...an MVP disappearing in a couple of games down the stretch...after being shut down by other point guards...

find me a game...any game...that Bird was shut down in an MVP year...or Magic...or Jordan...or fucking Duncan for that matter...or Hakeem...OR ANY FUCKING MVP EVER...I guarantee you I can find games where Nash didn't show up...this year...and last year...I fucking guarantee it...but let me guess...when he doesn't show up...he's being a team player...

And this...is priceless...

Again, just because the stats aren't there, like tonight, people start this "Oh, WTF an MVP can't do that" talk.

You are 100% right...an MVP can't do that...

[Brett]

Even Shaq, the laziest of lazy fuckers went balls out every game when he won his MVP in 2000. Not one let down the whole season, which is probably why he had the year he did.

[Brett]

Thank you for expounding on the cast-offs bullshit Poj. Flamma makes the Suns out to be a collection of NBDL players.

[POJO_Risin]

Magic Johnson whined as much as any player in the league (I liked Magic Brett)...

and I guarantee you this...nobody...bitched more to the refs than Michael Jordan...

and the next time we name an MVP for what they do off the court...let me know...

because Nash DIDN'T win because he's a good guy...and good teammate...that's utter horseshit as well...

he won...because he's a short fucking white guy...period...

did he help improve the team? Yes...but not more than the system...

like I said in my previous post...the proof in the pudding is when you look at a guys stats over 48 minutes to give you an indicator of how they were in their brief time on the court...

and nearly every player on the phoenix roster...either stays about the same (maybe a point or 2 difference)...or is worse...

Marion has been the consistent force on the Suns...since before Nash...

and his stats have never waivered...other than rebounding...and that's because they take far more shots...

[Brett]

LOL, Marion was guarding Cassell tonight? ROFL!!!!

[Brett]

Originally posted by POJO_Risin
Magic Johnson whined as much as any player in the league (I liked Magic Brett)...

Of course he did, it's the truth. Don't bother me. Some people just like to rewrite history.

They do the same horseshit with Jordan too.

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by POJO_Risin


You are 100% right...an MVP can't do that...

Well, he essentially iced the game for Phoenix and led everyone with 10 assists, so he was a factor.

Maybe if he scored 50 and lost, he would be worthy of the MVP

There are intangible leadership qualities that are at work here that don't show on the box score. Thomas, Marion were embarassed last game and had best show up. Steve was there last game, where were they?

Again, a team fucking game, won by the team and not by ONE GUY GOING OFF FOR FIFTY and FUCKING LOSING.

Remember winning Pojo?

[Brett]

Didn't Mr. MVP score ZERO points against the Pistons this year? Correct me if I'm wrong.