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[Big Troubles]

In fact, Mick is on his way back and I for one am looking forward to Foley jobbing to Rob Conway, Vis and Masters when he arrives.

trish Stratus is on her way back too. I guess she 'll be jobbing to Ashely, the new Diva?

[zeronumber]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
In fact, Mick is on his way back and I for one am looking forward to Foley jobbing to Rob Conway, Vis and Masters when he arrives.

trish Stratus is on her way back too. I guess she 'll be jobbing to Ashely, the new Diva?

Tris wouldn't job to christy hemme, so why would she job to avril...I mean..Ashely?

As for mic foley, he jobbed to upcomer Randy Orton, who went on to be the best IC champion in recent memory, World Champion, and Main eventer.

Of course, mic knew when it was time to pass the torch along.

Name one person Shawn could job to, and help boost their credibility at the same time? Masters? Flair did that already. Name another guy in the locker room who is ready to be pushed. Nobody

Carlito is ready for a bigger push, he's charasmatic, and he's a talented wrestler.

And that wasn't even a job, that was losing a tag match. Anyway, credible wrestlers losing to masters, will give masters some more credibility.

If masters destroys some ROH newbie on heat, does anybody care? no.(even though, most of the roh locker room could outshine michaels in a second)

But if Master beats michaels in a ppv match, that's a notch under masters belt.. A main event with shawn michaels will give masters more recognition as a wrestler.

You mentioned Dreamer (fat, out of shape, zero charisma-brawler only), Funk at age 60 plus, brawler only, Mick Foley, is a pure extremists, who forgot how to execute a simple arm drag is also out of shape- all because they pushed themselves too far. Who did Funk, Foley or Dreamer help put over? Who did they job to? What was the match they had, where they passed the torch?

Lol...you obviously never watched any ECW...

First off, Funk at 60, helped put ECW(then a faceless organization) on the fucking mat. What incredible matches did he have, try Deathmatches with mic foley, that involved barbed wire, tacs, eplosives, fires, etc. Who did he help put over, a then faceless wreslter named mic foley and helped to propel his carrer, which later would become a WWE champion.

Dreamer put over the likes of al Snow, Jericho, and Tazz back in the day.

Gee, I wonder what those newbies are doing now?

Michaels doesn't hold a candle to them, you're right. He's too busy wrestling night after night still, entertaining fans, while the other three are writing kids books, pretending to retire to help tix sales and helping to train young wrestlers in OVW.

Yeah, because the tourch has been passed already, and their time was done.

wrestling night after night? You mean, basically just showing up on raw, and doing the same routine again and again, having others job to him, trying to hold on to something he lost almost 8 years ago?

Please, there are wrestlers in the WWE who can out wrestle shawn michaels(Kurt Angle, Triple H, Chris Beniot, Eddie Guerrero, shelton Benjamin, Chris Jericho), Out job shawn michaels(Triple H, Funaki, val venis, Chris Beniot, Eddie Guerrero) And could go more extreme than shawn michaels in matches (John Bradshaw Layfield, Kurt Angle, Triple H, Undertaker, Kane,).

Shawn Michaels was innovative back in the day, but come on, nowadays wrestlers like rey mysterio, paul london, and chris jericho could all do what michaels once did, and better, and they go out every night making wrestlers like shawn michaels look better by laying down for them.

Hell, virtually every wrestler in TNA (Fallen Angel christopher daniels, aj styles, petey williams, Michael Shane, and chris sabin) can out wrestle, and out perform the "Show stopper" any day of the week.

Michaels was great...He still is...But eventually, he won't be able to wrestle anymore...and he won't be their in the future, he should pave the way for newbies like others paved the way for him to make him a tag team partner to the main event like Bret heart, sid vicious, kurt hening, and such.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by zeronumber
Tris wouldn't job to christy hemme, so why would she job to avril...I mean..Ashely?

As for mic foley, he jobbed to upcomer Randy Orton, who went on to be the best IC champion in recent memory, World Champion, and Main eventer.

Of course, mic knew when it was time to pass the torch along.



Carlito is ready for a bigger push, he's charasmatic, and he's a talented wrestler.

Mick wasn't ready to pass any torch to anyone. He was, is crippled and had no choice. He "passed the torch" to Randy Orton, who later became the shortest reigning World Champ in recent history, proving he wasn't ready for it. He also failed as a ratings draw and failed to increase house show attendance.

Carlito IS ready for a monstrous push, and the WWE are giving it to him with a feud with Flair. I think its a great idea. But Masters needs to improve before he gets a good rub from someone of calibre from Michaels. Say, how come JBL or HHH doesn't job to Masters? Maybe Eddie, Benoit and Shelton can lose clean to Masters too! That would be great tv, no?

No.

I watched plenty of EcW. Well, enough to know that there is a HUGE diference in hardcore brawlers and wrestling entertainment. One sells moderatly and one sells itself built on character development, shock value and professional business sense. WWE now makes more in one month than EcW did in one year. Going by a purley business standpoint, the WWE/Vince (same guy that tells his wrestlers when to job and not to) seems to still be doing ok, while EcW is a once a year PPV at best. (which Vince still controls)

Funk, BACK IN THE DAY, was a great wrestler. Now, he is a beaten up old man who pimps himself to sell tickets. Dreamer works for Vince in OVW and Foley is selling books having trouble walking. Michaels has years to go. Masters still has time to improve before he can get a hot feud going with Shawn. Time will tell.

[Big Troubles]

actually Dreamer had nothing to do wtih Jericho, Snow or Tazz getting a rub.

Snow got over with the "head" idea. Not Dreamer.

Tazz got over when he wrestled and LOST to Shane Douglas( or was that 2 Cold Scorps?) for the now defunct NWA/ECW title.

Jericho got over ALL BY HIMSELF. Lance Storm and Jericho were getting themselves over in SMW way before ECW. Then got himself over as a great heel in WcW. Then got himself over in WWE when he feuded with Rock, Austin,Angle and Edge. None of that had anything to do with Dreamer. Who by the way was saddled with a gimmick that consisted of him eating disgusting things and drinking urinal water! THAT still didn't get Dreamer over at all.

[rustoffa]

Monkeythe nailed alot of it. Fuck, I forgot most of what I just read. Dirt sheets, Tito, whackadoos.....I gave up on that shit a long time ago.

Submitted for no reason:

Noone but Taz was ever "put over" in ECW, IMO....well there's Douglas and RVD....a compelling argument.

Terry Funk's intermittent participation in the ECW was exactly that.

The Funk/Sabu match made the FMW look at itself without fake bombs.

HBK is a legendary wrestler...gotta be way up there in any marks' handbook.

Jericho paid some motherfucking dues....even before the ECW.

The WCW's decline was all about Bischoff turning the asylum over to the patients while he enjoyed a lifestyle you probably wouldn't believe.

HHH, regardless of personal bias, will go down in heestory as a monster heel of the highest regard. If you've read Flair's book, he comments on the nature of making the other guy look good in that role (the monster heel). HHH did exactly that ALOT.

Wrestling needs to go to sleep for awhile. It fucking sucks. Cut a fucking promo, deliver 15 minutes worth of low-spot shit with a marketable gimmick, and boom.

Wait....that's how it works! Minus the low-spot part.

Don't forget A.J. Styles.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by rustoffa
Monkeythe nailed alot of it. Fuck, I forgot most of what I just read. Dirt sheets, Tito, whackadoos.....I gave up on that shit a long time ago.

Submitted for no reason:

Noone but Taz was ever "put over" in ECW, IMO....well there's Douglas and RVD....a compelling argument.

Terry Funk's intermittent participation in the ECW was exactly that.

The Funk/Sabu match made the FMW look at itself without fake bombs.

HBK is a legendary wrestler...gotta be way up there in any marks' handbook.

Jericho paid some motherfucking dues....even before the ECW.

The WCW's decline was all about Bischoff turning the asylum over to the patients while he enjoyed a lifestyle you probably wouldn't believe.

HHH, regardless of personal bias, will go down in heestory as a monster heel of the highest regard. If you've read Flair's book, he comments on the nature of making the other guy look good in that role (the monster heel). HHH did exactly that ALOT.

Wrestling needs to go to sleep for awhile. It fucking sucks. Cut a fucking promo, deliver 15 minutes worth of low-spot shit with a marketable gimmick, and boom.

Wait....that's how it works! Minus the low-spot part.

Don't forget A.J. Styles.

Maybe the WWE can rewind itself and start over. :D Bring on the GobbleyGooker MotherFuckers!

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Maybe the WWE can rewind itself and start over. :D Bring on the GobbleyGooker MotherFuckers!

YEAH!
:D

[monkeythe]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, or it's just cool to use the Internet to bash stuff, but I feel the WWE product has been pretty good this year. With the exception of the GAB, all the PPV's ranged from good to great. When you compare it to a few years ago, the WWE has gotten better.
As an example, while it is generally agreed that the Mysterio-Guerrero -Dominick triangle is dumb, it has at least paid off in some really good matches. Compare that to the other stupid family feuds of the last few years that led to even worse matches than the events leading up to them (Bishoff stalks Linda, Steph stands up to her dad for pimping her out, Billy & Chuck want to get married, HHH does the deed to Katie Vick, Torrie Wilson becomes an orphan when Dawn Marie sexes Al Wilson out on their honeymoon)

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by zeronumber
I ask you who's stating the bullshit.

First off, HBK young? The guy is 40 years old. He's 15 years senior that of younger jobbers. And guess what, when he was there age, he didn't job either.

He constantly would forfiet titles left and right so he wouldn't have to defend them against people he didn't want others to think were "better than him"

He also goes on the record of not willing to job unless he's guarrented a rematch in which he wins.

and 90% of his jobs, are rigged to look like he got screwed over.

As for jobbing to hogan...So what? Everybody jobs to hogan. That's like a fucking rule in professional wrestling that is written in fucking stone. Hell, when he found out he was suppose to job to hogan, he botched up the match to make it look like a mockery, and refused to do an unforgiven rematch because he didn't want to job to hogan twice.

As for triple H...Triple H jobs a lot, in fact, He jobbed more times in the last 2 years to put others over, than Hbk ever has in his entire carrer.

Hell, over the last year or so he jobbed to Chris Beniot, Batista, Randy Orton, Shelton Benjamin, and...hmm...what was his name again...oh yeah, SHAWN MICHAELS!!!

And please note, that triple H CLEANLY jobbed to all of these people.

He tapped out to chris beniot's crippler cross face, and he layed down for the 3 count for batista, not once, but twice.

And triple H, always willing to pull off the task of winning matches in scripted screw job fashion to other wrestlers(cough, shawn michaels), to wrestlers with big enough ego's that won't allow them to lay down and lose a match when they're scripted to do so.

I have way more respect for HHH, than shawn michaels.

And last but not least....Let's not forget the fact, that if it wasn't for triple H, Shawn michaels would have never made a comeback. Granted, shawn help boost HHH carrer with dx, but, let's face it, HHH made himself known as a ruthless champion, and heel on multiple occasions, and helped boost Michaels comback, by jobbing to him and helping him become a champion, as well as on and off matches.

Don't ever compare jobbing of Michaels to HHH. Michaels has nothing on HHH.

I dont agree, you still gonna say HHH jobs to everyone when he beats Flair for his world title wins?
Yeah, HBK is far from an angel, to be honest I'm not sure who is worse for political BS, HBK or HHH......

[Full Bug]

Wow, great posts by zeronumber and BT the last few days.....

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Wow, great posts by zeronumber and BT the last few days.....

yup, and there's only one way to end this.


HELL....IN THE CELL! :D

I do agree with monkeythe, the stories have been a bit better this year than prior, and the matches are generally more anticipated than usual. I think it was a shame to lose Kazarian, as he was a great asset to the cruisers...but I heard he was a prima-donna too so... (didn't want to get a haircut etc...?) In the same sense Im glad spanky and knoble are headed back. I like Kennedy and Palmar.
I wish I could get into the new LOD, but its just shit covered shit for me right now. MNM rock. Booker needs to be a heel with Christian. Rey needs to move on and away from Eddie. Brock NEEDS to come back. Pronto! & Taker needs to retire I think. We've seen all we're gonna see from the dead man.

[bueno bob]

BRING BACK DOINK!

[Dave's Bitch]

Originally posted by bueno bob
BRING BACK DOINK!

i second that

Doink was cool.in his matches where he would be wrestling then another doink would come out,geneous.

i liked the match with doink,dink,wink and pink vs jerry the king lawler and his lil kings.classic stuff

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by bueno bob
BRING BACK DOINK!

If your talking the original Doink, then yeah, maybe, other wise forget it, before he or whoever played him brought out Dink it was cool sort of.....

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by bueno bob
BRING BACK DOINK!

Great heel, shit babyface.

Wasn`t there a couple of guys who were Doink?