"Talk of the devil" VS "Live evil"

[Three Lock Rock]

Neither are as good as Live Hallelujah!

[Stillwell]

Many of albums of Ozzy’s albums have merit, but they are tiring to listen to. John Osbourne is a shallow talent with zero vocal ability and non-existent writing capabilities. He is all image and when it comes to a live album, image doesn't cut it with this home boy. Ronnie James fucking Dio, on the other hand, is the real deal. He has it all: vocals, lyrics, passion, and an unrelenting work ethic. Live, he is unmatched. When it comes to live albums, who but the very top tier can match him? Surely not Sharon's husband.

I like Live Evil. Dio has done better live albums, but look at the material and the people he was working with on this project? Most of the original Sabbath songs are specifically tailored for Ozzy's vocal limitations. As a result, Dio-sung standards such as Black Sabbath don't set the world on fire. Nevertheless, Dio takes songs like N.I.B. and Iron Man and makes them his own property. He made them so evil it was as delicious as cup cakes. Then, you have the superior material of Heaven and Hell, Sign of the Southern Cross and Neon Knights blazing through your tin speakers! Where can you go wrong bruddahs!!

Too bad, Geezer Butler is such a bitch that he sabotaged this album and Sabbath. Geezer is a nest haired fucker who back stabbed Tony and destroyed Sabbath. As a result of Geezer’s delusions, the production suffered bad, but isn’t as apparent on the remastered editions.

Originally posted by bueno bob
The downside to "Live Evil" is the muddled production job. Dio brought a very dark, almost gothic vocal presentation

Bill Ward bitched about Ronnie making Sabbath "too evil." What is Sabbath supposed to be? The Scorpions?

[FORD]

Originally posted by Terry


First I'd heard of Gary Moore being in line before Gillis to replace Randy on the tour. Probably wouldn't have been a good fit, though.

Ozzy's exact words on that subject :"It's true that I asked Gary Moore to join, but he's a total cunt. He's an ugly, nasty cunt!"

Gillis wasn't the first "replacement" for Rhoads though. There was another guitarist named Bernie Torme who was hired about 3 weeks after Randy's death who finished that leg of the tour.

[VanJay011379]

They're both fake live albums anway. I heard "Speak of the Devil" was done in the studio with music from a soundcheck.

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by VanJay011379
They're both fake live albums anway. I heard "Speak of the Devil" was done in the studio with music from a soundcheck.

Yeah, but isn`t every live album?

I like the sound of "Talk of the devil" (as it`s called in the UK).

It sounds the way I think a four piece band should sound.

You can here each instrument and the singer as clear as a bell.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Stillwell
Many of albums of Ozzy�s albums have merit, but they are tiring to listen to. John Osbourne is a shallow talent with zero vocal ability and non-existent writing capabilities. He is all image and when it comes to a live album, image doesn't cut it with this home boy. Ronnie James fucking Dio, on the other hand, is the real deal. He has it all: vocals, lyrics, passion, and an unrelenting work ethic. Live, he is unmatched. When it comes to live albums, who but the very top tier can match him? Surely not Sharon's husband.

I like Live Evil. Dio has done better live albums, but look at the material and the people he was working with on this project? Most of the original Sabbath songs are specifically tailored for Ozzy's vocal limitations. As a result, Dio-sung standards such as Black Sabbath don't set the world on fire. Nevertheless, Dio takes songs like N.I.B. and Iron Man and makes them his own property. He made them so evil it was as delicious as cup cakes. Then, you have the superior material of Heaven and Hell, Sign of the Southern Cross and Neon Knights blazing through your tin speakers! Where can you go wrong bruddahs!!

Too bad, Geezer Butler is such a bitch that he sabotaged this album and Sabbath. Geezer is a nest haired fucker who back stabbed Tony and destroyed Sabbath. As a result of Geezer�s delusions, the production suffered bad, but isn�t as apparent on the remastered editions.




Bill Ward bitched about Ronnie making Sabbath "too evil." What is Sabbath supposed to be? The Scorpions?

Shouldn't you be posting at www.imasturbatewithdwarfs.com?

Fuck Dio and his rainbows, goblins, magic cunts and dragons.

He's another Sammy Hagar riding on someone elses coat tails. Ozzy can write a damn good melody, has charisma and his first two solo albums are some of the best rock music ever recorded.

Cheers!

[Stillwell]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Shouldn't you be posting at www.imasturbatewithdwarfs.com?

Fuck Dio and his rainbows, goblins, magic cunts and dragons.

He's another Sammy Hagar riding on someone elses coat tails. Ozzy can write a damn good melody, has charisma and his first two solo albums are some of the best rock music ever recorded.

Cheers!

Talk like that to me again and I'll knock your tooth out homie.

Ozzy doesn't WRITE anything. Without Geezer Butler and Bob Daisley writing his crap he'd be in England digging graves, robbing houses, or dropping the soap for his cell mate. Ozzy is so talentless he even has Dave Grohl writing his shit.

Charisma? Is that's what consider the slobbering, stuttering, mumbling, and fumbling he's been doing for years? He is a glorified dyslexic who’s biggest musical challenge is properly reading the lyrics off the Teleprompter during his concerts. Without his hands firmly clutched to Sharon’s tit, his career would’ve capsized faster than Van Halen III.

Dio the equivalent of Sammy Hagar? Eh, what ever brother. I expect that kind of babble from a guy who gets a hard-on from cleaning his grand mother’s dialysis bag.

[bueno bob]

OK, well, this is the thing right here.

Ronnie James Dio is NOWHERE NEAR "another Sammy Hagar riding on someone elses coat tails". Ronnie had a career YEARS before Ozzy Osbourne was even a blip on the radar. Ronnie is a musician; Ozzy is not. Ronnie is a tremendously talented vocalist and lyricist; Ozzy is not. Ozzy HAD a voice at one point, true, but he doesn't anymore and he hasn't for years; "Reunion", for me (and I've been breathing Black Sabbath since 1980), was a TOTAL disappointment due to Ozzy's absolutely wretched vocals.

Ozzy's solo albums have sucked ever since "No Rest for the Wicked"; outsider writers or no, he just hasn't sent forth anything even remotely listenable since 1988 and each album gets progressively worse.

Moreover, the Sabbath reunion has been very disappointing due to the fact that they needed to capitalize off of "Reunion" with a solid studio effort, and that has not materialized yet. Honestly, nothing more solid than a few tour outings has materialized from it, and there's still one good album left in them all, of that I'm sure.

I will agree that Blizzard and Diary are two of the greatest rock albums ever recorded, I will agree with that bar none - however, the REAL credit for that goes to Randy Rhoads and Bob Daisley because, as usual, Ozzy had very little to do with any of the processes of musical creation. Ozzy can hum some melodies and come up with some shitty lyrics that will eventually need to be replaced later on in the writing process, but that's as far as his musical talent goes. No further.

Keeping in mind that I'm a HUGE classic Sabbath fan, and would NEVER say anything to take away from those classic Sabbath albums, that's just the truth of it. Dio brought actual musicianship to Sabbath and was closer to doing the actual job of "band frontman" in his tenure than Ozzy ever got, simply because Ronnie knows more about music and composing than Ozzy does. It's that simple.

"Too bad, Geezer Butler is such a bitch that he sabotaged this album and Sabbath. Geezer is a nest haired fucker who back stabbed Tony and destroyed Sabbath. As a result of Geezer’s delusions, the production suffered bad, but isn’t as apparent on the remastered editions." - Stillwell

This is mostly true...Geezer Butler was the real culprint of 1982 in Black Sabbath land and what really botched things for the continued Dio/Sabbath association. Iommi had to side with somebody, and Geezer had been with Tony since 196?, so...what are you gonna do...but, as Ronnie himself said, the positive spin on things as far as 1982 was concerned was that the troubles over "Live Evil" paved the way for "Holy Diver" and the rest of the Dio catalog, so that was in no way a bad thing.

In conclusion:

Sabbath with Ozzy was classic, and will span the test of time, years and years from now. Sabbath with Ozzy is what will be remembered when all else is forgotten.

Ronnie was the best replacement for Ozzy that Sabbath could have ever chosen. Although it'll never be considered as classic and timeless as the 1970-1978 era, there's a TREMENDOUS amount of GREAT, GREAT music there; writing it off baselessly is both short-sighted and foolish.

Most of all, casually dismissing Ronnie James Dio's accomplishments over the last 40 years in the music industry, and his UNQUESTIONABLE talent, is beyond foolish and leaping headfirst straight into the boundries of utter stupidity.

[Stillwell]

Originally posted by bueno bob
OK, well, this is the thing right here.

Ronnie James Dio is NOWHERE NEAR "another Sammy Hagar riding on someone elses coat tails". Ronnie had a career YEARS before Ozzy Osbourne was even a blip on the radar. Ronnie is a musician; Ozzy is not. Ronnie is a tremendously talented vocalist and lyricist; Ozzy is not. Ozzy HAD a voice at one point, true, but he doesn't anymore and he hasn't for years; "Reunion", for me (and I've been breathing Black Sabbath since 1980), was a TOTAL disappointment due to Ozzy's absolutely wretched vocals.

Ozzy's solo albums have sucked ever since "No Rest for the Wicked"; outsider writers or no, he just hasn't sent forth anything even remotely listenable since 1988 and each album gets progressively worse.

Moreover, the Sabbath reunion has been very disappointing due to the fact that they needed to capitalize off of "Reunion" with a solid studio effort, and that has not materialized yet. Honestly, nothing more solid than a few tour outings has materialized from it, and there's still one good album left in them all, of that I'm sure.

I will agree that Blizzard and Diary are two of the greatest rock albums ever recorded, I will agree with that bar none - however, the REAL credit for that goes to Randy Rhoads and Bob Daisley because, as usual, Ozzy had very little to do with any of the processes of musical creation. Ozzy can hum some melodies and come up with some shitty lyrics that will eventually need to be replaced later on in the writing process, but that's as far as his musical talent goes. No further.

Keeping in mind that I'm a HUGE classic Sabbath fan, and would NEVER say anything to take away from those classic Sabbath albums, that's just the truth of it. Dio brought actual musicianship to Sabbath and was closer to doing the actual job of "band frontman" in his tenure than Ozzy ever got, simply because Ronnie knows more about music and composing than Ozzy does. It's that simple.

"Too bad, Geezer Butler is such a bitch that he sabotaged this album and Sabbath. Geezer is a nest haired fucker who back stabbed Tony and destroyed Sabbath. As a result of Geezer’s delusions, the production suffered bad, but isn’t as apparent on the remastered editions." - Stillwell

This is mostly true...Geezer Butler was the real culprint of 1982 in Black Sabbath land and what really botched things for the continued Dio/Sabbath association. Iommi had to side with somebody, and Geezer had been with Tony since 196?, so...what are you gonna do...but, as Ronnie himself said, the positive spin on things as far as 1982 was concerned was that the troubles over "Live Evil" paved the way for "Holy Diver" and the rest of the Dio catalog, so that was in no way a bad thing.

In conclusion:

Sabbath with Ozzy was classic, and will span the test of time, years and years from now. Sabbath with Ozzy is what will be remembered when all else is forgotten.

Ronnie was the best replacement for Ozzy that Sabbath could have ever chosen. Although it'll never be considered as classic and timeless as the 1970-1978 era, there's a TREMENDOUS amount of GREAT, GREAT music there; writing it off baselessly is both short-sighted and foolish.

Most of all, casually dismissing Ronnie James Dio's accomplishments over the last 40 years in the music industry, and his UNQUESTIONABLE talent, is beyond foolish and leaping headfirst straight into the boundries of utter stupidity.

Brilliant.

[Seshmeister]

I do admit that Dio was funny in Cheers.

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
I do admit that Dio was funny in Cheers.

An oldie but a goody!:D

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Hardrock69


Brad Gillis and FEE WAYBILL doing ATOMIC PUNK? Where on earth did this occur?

And what the heck has Fee been up to lately? He did some kind of Tubes tour in the late 90s playing clubs and theaters, but that is all I know.....

I caught 'em here a few years back...still crazy after all these years.

Here's that tune...Tim Bogert on bass, Frankie Banali on the drums. Like Bill said, it was on the "Little Guitars" tribute that Bob Kulick produced. I also heard Dweezil had a big hand in it. Enjoy!

Brad Gillis and Fee Waybill Atomic Punk cover