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  • Kristy
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    • Aug 2004
    • 16842

    Black And Blue is not the worst Stones album but I'd argue it is their weakest in terms of songwriting, performance and production. Critics love to call it the "guitar audition album" where it's really a hangover album. Mick Taylor's input and playing is sorely missed here leaving Keith to work with studio musicians who play better than he does. No wonder as to why Ron Wood was chosen being a subpar guitarist who would take orders from Jagger as not what to play but how to play it. The songs are all over the map and not one really coalesces with the other leaving the listener a but perplexed as to why this album was so hastily made after their fabled 75 Tour. The other factor missing here with this album is the absence of Jimmy Miller who would never ever let the Stones record such tripe trash as Hot Stuff or Memory Motel.

    Jagger himself was never really fond of this record claiming he disliked the mix (he also said pretty much the same on Exile and Goat's Head Soup) but after listening to this reissue and my utter hate for Steven Wilson after he butchered a few Jethro Tull albums outshines himself here. Richards sloppy phase shifted soloing in Hot Stuff is toned down as well was Charlie Watt's playing which never sounded like he actually played live with the band in the sessions or his drums were rerecorded with disastrous results: heavy cymbal crashes, too loud of a snare and the kick muddy with Wyman's bass playing (or whomever played bass on this shitty album). Wilson did an excellent job of cleaning that all up sort of reinventing this record into that full Stones sound not heard since Sticky Fingers. The real star on this record here has to be Billy Preston whom Wilson brought up the faders to where you can tell his contribution to this album was more than Jagger and Richards seems to give a shit about.

    The Stones, like Schleppy Zep made record after record with garbage production when they were behind the board in order to save a few bucks. The Stones did try with absurd results hiring such asswipes like Chris Kimsey and that utter fucking hack Don Was but that downhill slide started with It's Only Rock 'n Roll and continued with Black And Blue; Some Girls production is utter shit as was most of what they did right up to the unlistenable Undercover. The Stones seemed to be content with their mediocre production values and robbed themselves of their potential in the late part of the seventies when Jimmy Miller left or was fired or did too much coke and heroin with Richards.

    Black And Blue is not a memorable Stones album and I can see why they waited this long to bring in Steven Wilson to do his best to salvage just how bad it sounded as Richards become more like wallpaper in his own band. Give credit to Billy Preston and Wayne Perkins whose input goes way beyond their pay scale as Jagger ego trips all over this record while Keith snoozes halfway though it. Hard core Stones fans with a fondness for masochism will always praise this record but at the end of the day it's still shit.

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    • FORD
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      • Jan 2004
      • 59941

      Happy 82 Keef!

      Last edited by FORD; 12-18-2025, 02:54 PM.
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      • Kristy
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        • Aug 2004
        • 16842

        Okay, I'm stoned right out of my god damn mind right now so I'm going to listen to his horseshit

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        • Terry
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          • Jan 2004
          • 12222

          Originally posted by Kristy
          Okay, I'm stoned right out of my god damn mind right now so I'm going to listen to his horseshit

          Jesus, I haven't heard THAT song in, like, forever.

          So long, in fact, that I was watching the clip and literally saying to myself, "I KNOW this song, but from when?"

          It was from that Metamorphosis album. That was one of the Stones vinyl albums I 'inherited' from one of my uncles when I was a kid in the late-1970's. I never listened to that album much, though, back then. I used to listen to the Hot Rocks album a LOT more. Said uncle had given me his vinyl Stones records, if memory recalls, Metamorphosis along with Hot Rocks, Through The Past Darkly, More Hot Rocks (Big Hits & Fazed Cookies) and Sucking In The Seventies along with Their Satanic Majesties Request with that original 3-D lenticular cover. All of which I played to shit on this cheap-o second hand record player my parents had given me. I mean, I was 6 or 7 years old or whatever it was back then and they were hand me down records.

          I was surprised to learn that tune ...what the fuck was it? 'Jiving Sister Fanny'? What a dumb fucking song title. Anyway, that was recorded in June or July of 1969. Listening to the clip you posted, initially I was wondering if that was some Black And Blue session outttake when I first started listening to the clip before I recognized hearing it.

          Yeah, pretty dull track. Even by Stone's standards in 1975, much less in 1969 when they recorded it considering this was when they were making the Let It Bleed album.
          Scramby eggs and bacon.

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          • Kristy
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            • Aug 2004
            • 16842

            It's a lame studio session track where once again, you can see these limeys blatantly stealing from the likes of Chuck Berry who are Keith and Mick's bread and butter. While I will go on record saying at least Keith has given accreditation to people like Berry, his thieving never stopped throughout his entire career. The advent to bring in Mick Taylor was a wise marketing move for those duo thieving bastards in that Taylor had actual talent when in the case of that bloviating asshole, Jimmy "fuckface" Page one can only steal so much for so long. Jiving Sister Fanny is just another in a series of misogynistic songs from Jagger - no wonder he hung out with Epstein - allegedly. But I was high at the time.
            Last edited by Kristy; 12-31-2025, 01:25 PM.

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                • FORD
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                  • Jan 2004
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                  cbs42.com
                  Wayne Perkins, guitarist who went from Alabama to backing some of music’s greatest artists, dies

                  Drew Taylor
                  4–5 minutes


                  BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WIAT) — Wayne Perkins, whose guitar playing took him from his home in Birmingham, Alabama to around the world, backing up some of the biggest artists in music, died Monday night. He was 74.

                  According to his family and friends, Perkins had suffered a stroke earlier this month.
                  Growing up outside Birmingham, Perkins began playing the guitar just before becoming a teenager. His playing advanced quickly, ultimately leading him to Muscle Shoals as a session guitarist. While in Muscle Shoals, Perkins cut tracks with people like Joe Cocker, Steve Winwood, Leon Russell and many others as part of the famed “Swampers” group of session musicians. During this time, Perkins met and became fast friends with singer Ronnie Van Zant, who asked him to join Lynyrd Skynyrd. He ultimately turned him down, continuing his musical career outside Alabama.
                  American guitarist Wayne Perkins (center) performing with Smith, Perkins and Smith at the Roundhouse, Camden, London, 4th May 1972. (Photo by Michael Putland/Getty Images) By 1972, Perkins had started a trio with Steve and Tim Smith called Smith Perkins Smith, performing across Europe and the United Kingdom. While in London with his group, Perkins was recruited to perform a couple of tracks on “Catch a Fire” with reggae singer Bob Marley and his band, The Wailers.
                  In an episode of VH1’s “Classic Albums,” Perkins spoke about how unfamiliar he was with reggae and how he had to adjust the way he played to better accompany the music.
                  “They started playing this strange music,” he said. “I had never heard the likes of. Compared to anything else I had ever heard in my life, the R&B, the church music, anything I had ever heard, this was backward.”

                  Nonetheless, Perkins’ work on songs like “Concrete Jungle” and “Stir It Up” were credited for giving “Catch a Fire” a different kind of flavor, ultimately being one of the first albums to put reggae on the world stage.

                  Perkins’ playing caught the attention of the larger music industry, where he contributed to Joni Mitchell’s “Court and Spark” and The Rolling Stones’ “Black and Blue.” Famously, Perkins almost joined The Stones following the departure of Mick Taylor, but ultimately lost out to Ron Wood.

                  “We liked Perkins a lot,” Stones guitarist Keith Richards wrote in his memoir, “Life.” “He was a lovely player, same style, which wouldn’t have ricocheted against what Mick Taylor was doing, very melodic, very well-played stuff. Then Ronnie said he had problems with the Faces. So it came down to Wayne and Ronnie. Ronnie’s an all-rounder. He can play loads of things and different styles, and I’d just been playing with him for some weeks, so the chips fell there. It wasn’t so much the playing, when it came down to it. It came down to the fact that Ronnie was English! Well, it is an English band, although you might not think that now. And we all felt we should retain the nationality of the band at the time.”
                  Perkins didn’t let this setback derail his career, playing with many other musicians, including his own brother, Dale, whom he started the bands Alabama Power Band and Crimson Tide. He also contributed guitar to the soundtracks for movies like “The Karate Kid II” and “Back to School.”

                  “I’ve been fortunate in my career to be in the right place and the right time and get involved with some good people and leave a bit of a footprint,” Perkins told AL.com’s Matt Wake in 2017.
                  Last year, Alabama Public Television released a documentary on Perkins’ life called “Nobody Really Knows Me.”

                  Funeral arrangements have not been announced as of Tuesday.












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                  • FORD
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                    • Jan 2004
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                    RIP Wayne. It's such a fucking shame that your best work was never officially released intact.....

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