Rock and Roll Hall of Fame - 2010 !

[ace diamond]

kiss got fucked again.
along with deep purple, alice cooper, rainbow,rush, ronnie james dio,
judas priest, the scorpions, saxon, motorhead, iron maiden, cheap trick,
and so many much more deserving bands.

for fuck sake, the sex pistols and run dmc are already in.
what the fuck kind of fucking bullshit is that?
so many kinds of wrong.

[FORD]

Kiss & Rainbow - same deal as what I said before. With Kiss, only the original 4 should get in (and MAYBE Eric Carr, because the dead guys always get inducted)

Rainbow should be inducted if only for Dio's sake, but again, no Joe Lynn Turner bullshit. Priest should be in by now. Motorhead are legendary and influential enough to make the cut. I could see Cheap Trick getting in on the argument of "we need another band from the Midwest" if nothing else. Maiden? Sure as long as Blaze Bailey's not included.

Scorpions or Saxon? Don't bet on it. Has Saxon sold ANY records in the US??

And the Sex Pistols were very deserving of the induction - even though they told the Hall to fuck off.

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[Mr. Vengeance]

KISS not getting in while ABBA does is a joke. An absolute joke.....

[78/84 guy]

ABBA.!!!! Genesis ??!! Sometime's i'm fuckin' glad Roth, Ed & his sister stayed home !!! What a joke !! How about Deep Purple, Thin Lizzy , Ted Nugent and all the other REAL rock fucking band's Metallica brought up when they went in.

[Ally_Kat]

I would tend to agree, I was disappointed overall when I went a couple of years ago...

Yeah, that was how I walked away from it, too. We drove an hour and a half to get there and I was excited because early radio, blues/jazz, and early rock 'n roll are all things I'm into. However, outside the small wing dedicated to that, there wasn't anything there - esp for the price we paid. The only thing that saved the day for us was that the special exhibit upstairs was on Johnny Cash, who me & Mr. Ally_Kat love.

I was very surprised how small it was. We walked around a few times trying to see if we stupidly missed a section. Nope. $50 bucks. Fun times.

[ace diamond]

Kiss & Rainbow - same deal as what I said before. With Kiss, only the original 4 should get in (and MAYBE Eric Carr, because the dead guys always get inducted)

that would now also include mark st. john.

Rainbow should be inducted if only for Dio's sake, but again, no Joe Lynn Turner bullshit.

agreed

Priest should be in by now. Motorhead are legendary and influential enough to make the cut.

agreed.

I could see Cheap Trick getting in on the argument of "we need another band from the Midwest" if nothing else.

i think they have earned the recognition.

Iron Maiden? Sure as long as Blaze Bailey's not included.

i must disagree here. the blaze bailey era Iron Maiden did produce a good number of tunes that indeed stand on their own.
sadly, this era gets overlooked quite a bit.
i like the blaze bailey albums "the X factor" and "Virtual XI".

Scorpions or Saxon? Don't bet on it. Has Saxon sold ANY records in the US??

Personally, i feel both bands have earned it.

as to saxon selling records in america, i can tell you with 1st hand
knowledge that in the early 1980's, saxon sold a lot of record in america.
they influenced a lot of bands.
metallica being one of them.
me being another.
juice has saxon albums.

[twonabomber]

The RRHOF is a tourist destination every bit as morally bankrupt and soul-crushingly evil as the Disney Corporation. A pox upon it.

125 Artists NOT In The RRHOF

again, the HOF foundation in NYC should take the blame for the inductees. Cleveland doesn't have anything to do with that, all they do is run the building. pretty sure NYC even decides what exhibits to run. no way that shitbag Jann Wenner was going to tell Yoko she couldn't send a bag of John's bloody clothes to put on display.

i just can't get my head around this ABBA thing. i can see some of the doo-wop groups, and some of the reggae guys, but what did ABBA do (that others didn't do) that rubbed off on anyone after them? not the harmonizing vocals, the Beach Boys and others did that far earlier. they always say it's about influence and not about sales, but this one has to be about "units sold."

and just looking at that first page linked, they are really leaning on "chart success" when the HOF foundation claims "One of the Foundation’s many functions is to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll by inducting them into the Hall of Fame." NOTHING about sales.

Ahmet Ertegun's death has allowed Jann Wenner and Suzan Davis to run rampant with these shitty choices for induction.

[FORD]

that would now also include mark st. john.

Yeah he's dead, but he only made one record with them. Carr was with them 10 years or so, he deserves to be considered a band member. Not so much Mark, or Vinnie Vincent. And damn sure not the roadie wearing Ace's makeup now.

[bantonelli]

What an incredibly boring bunch of Inductees... ABBA? Mamma Mia!!!!!! They don't even deserve it.

Since when has ABBA ever been catagorized as ROCK n' ROLL? My grandmother likes them for heaven sake...at best they are "Soft/Easy Listening Music" to be played while in the dentist chair.....

I would have loved to see FRANK MARINO & Mahogany Rush be in there for their incredible blues driven Rock!!

[Golden AWe]

Well, ABBA has also influenced a TON of rock and roll too, along being a wonderful pop act. I'm not the expert of chords and beat changes, but whenever you hear anything catchy in rock, in a pop way, you might be liking a ABBA influenced part. Slow tunes, fast tunes. Like it or not.

[twonabomber]

so nobody in rock wrote anything catchy, in a pop way, before ABBA did?

i can almost justify/defend the Madonna induction, but this one i cannot.

this is on the Rock Hall site...

They are one of the biggest-selling acts in pop-history – and if Stockholm is now a hit making mecca, it’s because ABBA first put Sweden on rock’s global map. The four members came together in enchanting, late-1960s post-Euro-hippie fashion – initialed for the two couples, Agnetha ‘Anna’ Fältskog and Björn Ulvaeus; and Benny Andersson and Anni-Frid ‘Frida’ Lyngstad. ABBA was a dominant music force throughout the 70’s, and world¬wide licensing deals made Polar Music the second biggest corporation in Sweden. Bjorn and Benny’s studio finesse over the course of ABBA’s eight studio LPs drew wide praise from pure pop punks and New Wavers for whom ABBA became a guilty pleasure. They went their solo ways in 1982, but tribute albums and the boffo musical Mamma Mia are keeping ABBA on permanent display.

so maybe the licensing thing and the production skills are the HOF board's justification.

[Terry]

The whole RnRHoF biz, from early on, struck me was just another method (much like the Grammy awards) by which the music industry gets to pat itself on the back.

While I have little to no use for either the RnRHoF or the Grammy awards, at least the Grammys deal with contemporary acts. The RnRHoF seems like little more than Old Timers Day, with creaky, over-the-hill artists and acts shuffling in to accept an award that can't be as meaningful as, say, having sold lots of albums, writing great tunes or playing gigs back in the day was. It's kinda like when Strolling Bone magazine does yet another interview with Eric Clapton or reprints old Beatles articles - even when I like the bands profiled, they've been overhyped for so fucking long now I get an adverse reaction to them, much the same as the Jump single; by February of 1984 I was already sick to fucking death of the thing.

[kwame k]

It's simple really....inducting which group or artist will give you the highest ratings for you show....ABBA, a fucking worldwide juggernaut will bring in how many rating points and a bigger worldwide audience than the others.

It has nothing to do with merit, influence, or whether or not they are even R-n-R.
As with everything else it's all about the money.

[chefcraig]

It has nothing to do with merit, influence, or whether or not they are even R-n-R.
As with everything else it's all about the money.

Precisely. The ABBA induction has more to do with riding the coat tails of a successful musical and feature film than it does with any sort of musical viability or credibility. If that was the true point of an artist's induction, then why aren't Tom Waits, Harry Chapin, Jim Croce, and Todd Rundgren included?

[kwame k]

Exactly, they want to put out ratings not reward artists that have helped shape or have redefined R-N-R. It would be a boring show if the had inductees like Hal Blaine or others who played on and contributed to shaping R-N-R. No one would know who some of these cats are and therefore wouldn't tune in. No ratings, no sponsors = no money.