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  • binnie
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • May 2006
    • 19145

    #91
    Originally posted by Seshmeister
    Amen!

    You've nicely summed up the main points.

    Religion is basically a virus passed on from parent to child.

    We've evolved so that as children we are preprogrammed to believe what our parents tell us. This is very important because otherwise offspring would jump off a cliff or eat the poisonous berries or try and pet the sabre tooth tiger. The ones that didn't didn't survive. When a parent passes on the superstitions that they have inherited from their parents this has a strong hold on their children which is hard to shake.

    To give an example of the insanity of this my Dad recently said to me 'I insist my grandchildren are brought up as Christians and go to Sunday school.' My Dad only goes to church for weddings and funerals. He doesn't know much about scripture or much about the history of the bible and is a retired scientist. Like so many people I think he see's religion as a comfort blanket and a morality tool. I think he was a little shocked at my 20 minute detailed fuck off rant where I pointed out it does neither.

    If you are religious unless you have been indoctrinated by a cult then you have to accept that like 99.99% of religious people your 'beliefs'(where belief is a euphanism for illogical unsubstatiated crazy superstions) are completely based on the accident of your peer group and geography.

    Cheers!

    Sesh, something tells me that this post will start World War Three around here!

    As for my view, I'm agnostic as I really don't think there's really anyway of knowing for sure. But what I will say is that science doesn't deal in certainties either. I find all of the issues very interesting, and I can't be dogmatic (sorry) either way. I try and keep my mind open.

    For me, the worst kind of religion is one which doesn't allow questioning.
    The Power Of The Riff Compels Me

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    • Panamark
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Jan 2004
      • 17161

      #92
      Eddie and Dave are back onstage again..

      God obviously exists !!!


      I kinda agree with Sesh's post, makes a lot of sense.
      I believe in God, but I cant seem to align myself to
      any one particular organised religion. How any one
      religion can hate another, is just bullshit...
      How any one religion can try and control us by
      scaring the crap out of us, is also total bullshit..

      I think if we took all the best bits from each religion
      and blended it together, we would probably be a
      shitload closer to the reality of God
      than we are today..







      BABY PANA 2 IS Coming !! All across the land, let the love and beer flow !
      Love ya Mary Frances!

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      • VanHalener
        ROCKSTAR

        • Nov 2006
        • 5451

        #93
        Originally posted by franksters
        i had a big argument with my best friend who is atheist, and i think his kids and him are missing out on something.

        what are your thoughts?
        Yes, God exists and he told me he wants you to send me all of your Van Halen related things.

        And oh, he loves you!
        ~Only you can prevent low volume~

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        • MAPRamone
          Head Fluffer
          • Jun 2006
          • 460

          #94
          I believe in 'God' in that i believe the universe to be a living superorganism. I don't subscribe to any dogma. I believe that throughout history there have been people unusually sensitive to the interconnectedness of all that exists. These people have been the ones who've started all the religions, but that does not mean they were right about everything or even anything. They may have had visions but their interpretations of those visions were tainted by their previous prejudices.

          If you look at the teachings of most religions you'll see that most of them have recycled and mixed up from other religions. For instance there have been many stories in ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia of a child of high ranking people being hidden by their families in order order to save their lives and discovered and raised by some humble shepherd, only to later rise to an important position. Most of these stories predate Moses.

          There have also been countless cults in the Middle East, that have a teacher with 12 disciples etc. One of these teachers, Mithras, is said to have died for others' salvation! In fact, the Catholic Church is almost a carbon copy of Mithraism. Before the spread of Christianity, Mithraism was the most widespread religion in the Roman Empire. It was probably the similarity of Mithraism's and Christianity's teachings that lead to the rapid expansion of Christianity.

          The first monotheistic religion is said to have been Zoroastrianism of Iran (along with the short lived cult of Aton in Egypt). Which influenced Judaism and in doing so Christianity indirectly and also directly. In fact the adoption of Zoroastrianism as a state religion by the persian Sassanis dynasty (226-651 AD.) inspired Romans to do the same with Christianity. The enmity between Iran and Rome long predated Christianity, but after the creation of state religions, the conflict began to assume a more religious nature.

          The conflict probably in part inspired Muhammad in the creation of the concept of a Jihad. After the Muslim Arabs had conquered the southern parts of the Roman empire and all of Iran the religious conflict began again this time between Christianity and Islam.

          This is strange when you think about. Christianity and Zoroastrianism had a lot in common. But a Muslim and a Christian could easily agree with most of each others teaching. Yet they fought furiously. It seems that religious experiences are so intensely visceral and personal, that when you combine them with earthly power all you get is fanaticism and blood. Even when your neighbour shares 90 % of your beliefs the remaining 10 % can make you bitterly hate eachother.

          sorry, i'm rambling.
          dm/dt=kA (Cs-C)

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          • Panamark
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Jan 2004
            • 17161

            #95
            Your Rambling is good !

            It seems ridiculous that we wage wars over that
            10% difference...

            If we took a mother and their infant from each religion
            and race, and threw them in the same room together,
            right there you would see the truth...

            No barriers, no hatred, no religous discrimination.
            Just creatures of god all experiencing the same
            experience..


            BABY PANA 2 IS Coming !! All across the land, let the love and beer flow !
            Love ya Mary Frances!

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            • ace diamond
              Full Member Status

              • Sep 2004
              • 3863

              #96
              FUCK GOD-HAIL SATAN!!!!
              Originally posted by hideyoursheep
              When Hagar speaks, I want to cut off my ears and send them to Bristol Palin.
              "It's like trying to fit a mouse fart into a sardine can with a shoe horn"-Ace Diamond

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              • ace diamond
                Full Member Status

                • Sep 2004
                • 3863

                #97
                Originally posted by Last_Child
                I Believe in gods..

                Mostly Guitar gods----

                But we have the mighty BON SCOTT!


                My theory.....
                YOU FORGOT TO MENTION METAL GODS!!!!!!
                GREAT FUCKING JUDAS PRIEST SONG!!!
                ONE OF MY FAVORITES!!!
                Originally posted by hideyoursheep
                When Hagar speaks, I want to cut off my ears and send them to Bristol Palin.
                "It's like trying to fit a mouse fart into a sardine can with a shoe horn"-Ace Diamond

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                • ace diamond
                  Full Member Status

                  • Sep 2004
                  • 3863

                  #98
                  Originally posted by Three Lock Rock
                  there IS a god...and his name is hagar!
                  OFF TO THE SHEEP PEN GULAG WITH YOU............BETTE MIDLER IS EXPECTING YOU.
                  Originally posted by hideyoursheep
                  When Hagar speaks, I want to cut off my ears and send them to Bristol Palin.
                  "It's like trying to fit a mouse fart into a sardine can with a shoe horn"-Ace Diamond

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                  • ace diamond
                    Full Member Status

                    • Sep 2004
                    • 3863

                    #99
                    Originally posted by Matt White
                    "I talk to 'em every day."
                    PEACE SELLS..........BUT WHO'S BUYING?
                    Originally posted by hideyoursheep
                    When Hagar speaks, I want to cut off my ears and send them to Bristol Palin.
                    "It's like trying to fit a mouse fart into a sardine can with a shoe horn"-Ace Diamond

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                    • Seshmeister
                      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                      • Oct 2003
                      • 35754

                      Originally posted by Panamark
                      Your Rambling is good !

                      It seems ridiculous that we wage wars over that
                      10% difference...

                      If we took a mother and their infant from each religion
                      and race, and threw them in the same room together,
                      right there you would see the truth...

                      No barriers, no hatred, no religous discrimination.
                      Just creatures of god all experiencing the same
                      experience..
                      Creatures of evolution who would start bickering soon enough and blood spilled soon after.

                      Mothers are the worst and kids are downright evil.

                      Who stole your trousers?

                      Cheers!

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                      • Coyote
                        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 8185

                        "Is there a God?"

                        No. "There" is a destination.
                        Why settle for something you have, if it's not as good as something you're out to get?

                        Originally posted by Seshmeister
                        It's like putting up a YouTube of Bach and playing Chopstix on your Bontempi...

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                        • ALinChainz
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 12100

                          Writing my philosphy final on this very question.

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                          • Coyote
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 8185

                            Besides, I gotta get this "believing in myself" thing under my belt...
                            Why settle for something you have, if it's not as good as something you're out to get?

                            Originally posted by Seshmeister
                            It's like putting up a YouTube of Bach and playing Chopstix on your Bontempi...

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                            • VanHalener
                              ROCKSTAR

                              • Nov 2006
                              • 5451

                              I believe in you homeslice!

                              Bet you can do whatever you put your mind to.

                              ~Only you can prevent low volume~

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                              • Panamark
                                DIAMOND STATUS
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 17161

                                Originally posted by Seshmeister
                                Creatures of evolution who would start bickering soon enough and blood spilled soon after.

                                Mothers are the worst and kids are downright evil.

                                Who stole your trousers?

                                Cheers!

                                My wife is a teacher, and I have witnessed this first hand.
                                Seriously, arabic women, asian, white europeans, americans,
                                hell there might have even been a scottish woman in the
                                group... lol..

                                My point is, at these childrens age, the mothers dont care about
                                wars and religion and all that crap, they are unified
                                as simple mothers of babies. Skin colour or nationality
                                or beliefs dont come into it at this point...

                                That seems a pretty cool thing to me and shows in its
                                most primal form that we can all get along.

                                Now, when the fuckers get older, thats when it all
                                gets bent out of shape :D

                                I probably should note the fathers all seemed to
                                be aligned in this situation too, so trousers are
                                included... :p
                                BABY PANA 2 IS Coming !! All across the land, let the love and beer flow !
                                Love ya Mary Frances!

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