Tom Cruise says He knows the history of Psychiatry

[thome]

For the church

[Hardrock69]

Yeah that is a pretty fair assumption....

Despite his claims, he has not been a Scientologist for 16 years, and is not one now. If he ever was one, he left before getting even one rung up the "ladder". In fact, it is quite obvious he fell off the ladder.

If he was an actual Scientologist, he would have been able to actually make sense.

He is actually a fucking retard who imagines that the CoS is somehow a "decent" and "upstanding" organization dedicated to "helping" mankind to be "free" of some imagined pychiatric problems.

In reality, the CoS is a corrupt organization built upon fiction created by a manipulative paranoid sociopath that is dedicated to nothing more than helping mankind to be free of their hard-earned cash.

[ashstralia]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
In reality, the CoS is a corrupt organization built upon fiction created by a manipulative paranoid sociopath that is dedicated to nothing more than helping mankind to be free of their hard-earned cash.

and apparently mr.g has no argument against this.

while claiming to answer questions.

pr for suckers 101.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh

I hear KATIE HOLMES is a wreck these days.

More like a Zombie.

support the cause: www.freekatie.net

:D

[Mr. G]

Yes. what you stated about the medical community was true at one time, but it is not true right now, they have evolved by throwing out old methods that didn't work. Psychiatry is STILL doing electric shock and brain surgury like they did in the old days. That is the difference. Again I am not asking anyone to "choose" between the two as you stated I am just questioning a "science" that has not acted.........well very "scientific".

[ashstralia]

Originally posted by Mr. G
Yes. what you stated about the medical community was true at one time, but it is not true right now, they have evolved by throwing out old methods that didn't work. Psychiatry is STILL doing electric shock and brain surgury like they did in the old days. That is the difference. Again I am not asking anyone to "choose" between the two as you stated I am just questioning a "science" that has not acted.........well very "scientific".

quote the poster you're addressing, dude;

it's not that diffiCULT.

[Mr. G]

I was addressing Nickdfresh, if you read the post it's not that difficult. How about ANOTHER opinion from a Psychiatrist:

Dr. Peter Breggin
Sun Jul 17, 1:27 PM ET

On June 25, July 2005 Tom Cruise did the unthinkable on TV. Actually, he did several “unthinkables” in a filmed interview with NBC’s Matt Lauer for the Today Show.


First, Tom stopped smiling. He deprived us of that multi-million dollar grin and got serious. For a star to do this to the American public was unthinkable.

Second, Tom pointed out that Matt Lauer actually was very “glib” (shallow) and didn’t know what he was talking about. He also urged Matt to be “more responsible” and to learn something about psychiatry before touting it. For a star to do this to a media personality was unthinkable. Since nearly all of them are shallow, this was a threat of potentially epidemic proportions. Suppose other guests began pointing out that media hosts don’t know what they are talking about and are shallow?

Third, he got serious about one of the most important issues in our personal lives, in this case our widespread use of psychiatric drugs to solve our personal distress and anguish. Tom concluded, “I’m passionate about life.” For anyone to speak this way on television, except perhaps on the Catholic channel, is truly beyond the TV pale; and even the Catholic channel doesn’t criticize psychiatry.

Fourth, he criticized psychiatry and drew attention to its genuine flaws and failings. I suspect he’s actually read my book, Toxic Psychiatry. Tom said that psychiatry had a long history of abusing people, including electroshock. He said, “There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.” He said that antidepressants can only “mask the problem” and that “these drugs are very dangerous.” He called psychiatry a “pseudoscience” and suggested that there are better approaches. He was right about all of this.

A few days later NBC invited me to New York City as a psychiatric expert to discuss the Tom Cruise affair on the Today Show, and when I began by saying it sounded like Tom had been doing some serious reading about psychiatry, I got cut off, again and again, throughout the show.

Why was the media both drawn into the story and shocked by it? It was too good a story to simply ignore: “Tom Cruise Gone Wild” was the theme. It should have been, “Tom Cruise gets serious.”

The media would have liked to attack Tom on the grounds that he’s a Scientologist. Scientologists seem to share a number of views about psychiatry with me, including everything Tom said. In fact, I’d go further. Modern biological psychiatry is a materialistic religion masquerading as a science.
How can I say that my profession of psychiatry is a materialistic religion? Because modern psychiatry makes believe that psychological and spiritual problems, such as anxiety and depression, are caused by mechanical failures in the physical brain, and because psychiatry then attempts to correct these psychological and spiritual problems with physical interventions such as drugs and electroshock. Modern biological psychiatry takes these views and implements these interventions on faith and it has won a lot of converts with the help of billion-dollar marketing campaigns. If you want more detailed analyses of the faith and fake science behind the claims of modern psychiatry, you’ll find them in my books such as Toxic Psychiatry (1991), Brain-Disabling Treatments in Psychiatry (1997), Talking Back to Ritalin (Revised, 2001), the Antidepressant Fact Book (2001) and the Ritalin Fact Book (2002). You can find my scientific papers on my website, www.breggin.com. In my books and on the website you’ll also find discussions of the many drug-free alternatives that are available for helping people with problems such as anxiety and depression.

The media kept hinting that the problem was Tom’s Scientology beliefs but they didn’t want to say it. To some extent it’s not politically correct to criticize someone’s religion, especially when people like Tom and John Travolta are members. But that was really not the issue. The media is afraid of Scientology because the religion has been extremely aggressive toward media critics, often charging them or threatening to charge them with libel and slander.

I was also invited on to CNBC’s the Donny Deutche talk show. This time I remained in Ithaca, New York only a few blocks from my office in a high tech TV studio. I was kept waiting in front of the live camera for almost an hour and a half to get a word in as I watched Tom get excoriated. Although I could see the show on the uplink for this entire time as I sat waiting at any moment to be called upon, they decided not to link me into the show at all and I never got to say a thing in Tom’s defense or in criticism of biological psychiatry, drugs and electroshock. Sitting upright that long without twitching in anticipation of momentarily appearing on millions of televisions was hard enough, but listening to Donny was worse.

While I sat listening to the CNBC show that I was never brought onto, I felt a mixture of outrage and sadness. Outrage that the show host Donny Deutche bragged up his work in advertising where he helped to produce the Zoloft TV ads with their clever little bouncing faces that made the antidepressant so much more “accessible,” in his words, to millions of Americans. Donny was bragging about an actual fraud—ads that falsely suggest that Zoloft corrects biochemical imbalances and that leave out the warning that the drug causes mania, not to mention psychosis, violence and suicide.

What was tragic? Donny’s guest was Jane Pauley who was flogging her new book, Out of the Blue. Jane is the epitome of a media personality, having anchored the Today Show with Tom Brokaw and Bryant Gumbel, and having earned many broadcast awards. Jane is also a promoter of psychiatry. She admitted to having developed “hypomanic” (milder than full-blown mania) symptoms on an antidepressant. At the time, she explained, her mind and thoughts were racing and she couldn’t control them. But then she added that of course the drug didn’t make her become manic; the drug just “brought out” her underlying or pre-existing bipolar disorder.

Of course, I don’t know anything about Jane Pauley except what she’s told us and she’s not really the issue. Celebrities are actively recruited by marketing departments to promote medical and psychiatric treatments. I do know that psychiatrists often lie to patients to protect themselves and their drugs. My colleagues lie by saying the antidepressant merely “brought out” their mania, psychosis, violence or depression, rather than the drug caused it in the otherwise innocent victim. Jane Pauley thinks she is a victim of bipolar disorder when she sounds to me like a victim of psychiatry.
It’s no small matter to falsely inform a person that their drug-induced mania shows they have bipolar disorder. It results in a false diagnosis and a stigmatizing label (bipolar or manic-depressive disorder) that follows people for the rest of their lives. It leads to additional medications, often including antipsychotic drugs like Zyprexa and Risperdal that can cause lethal diabetes and pancreatitis, and tardive dyskinesia, a potentially disfiguring and disabling neurological disorder characterized by bizarre-looking abnormal movements.

So the media personalities had a feast promoting their religion, psychiatry, while Tom Cruise got hammered for criticizing psychiatry, and indirectly promoting his religion, Scientology.

No, I’m not a Scientologist. Except when they occasionally say hello to me at conferences, I have hardly spoken to a Scientologist in more than thirty years. But when I saw Tom’s bravery come out from behind his marvelous smile, I wanted to help, and I made clear I wanted to defend him.

Well, Tom, you said on TV things I’ve been saying in the media and in my books and scientific articles for three decades—but boy did you generate a lot more attention to the issues. Thanks!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Mr. G
Yes. what you stated about the medical community was true at one time, but it is not true right now, they have evolved by throwing out old methods that didn't work.

Not true totally, they are also reusing and rediscovering old methods such as using maggots to clean-out infected wounds, and even using leeches to "bleed" people in order to increase circulation I believe (not to purge people of bad blood like the good ol' days.) Again, you're making generalizations that are simply not supportable.

Psychiatry is STILL doing electric shock and brain surgury like they did in the old days.

In extreme cases only, and both work in very limited circumstances. In fact, they've found that magnetism can alter and affect peoples mood and brain chemistry. Oh, I forgot, there's no such thing as brain chemistry according to Scientologists. I guess there's no such things as hormones either.

That is the difference. Again I am not asking anyone to "choose" between the two as you stated I am just questioning a "science" that has not acted.........well very "scientific".

No, you're not. What You are doing is drudging up some valid criticisms of psychiatry (which I have mentioned repeatedly that I do not think is a panacea for all of our problems and I have my own problems with) without the least critical analysis of The Church of Scientology. Why don't you just apply some of your skepticism to CoS? Are E-Meters superior to Ritalin? It's just more bullshit! That's why TOM CRUISE has been flamed in the media.

The basic issue is who the fuck is he to tell anybody what to do or what is good when he himself subscribes to a greed-driven cult that is full of superstition and UNSCIENTIFIC BULLSHIT!?

Why don't you actually address that instead of turning it all into a monomaniacal scrutiny of psychiatry, a field of study in which much IS VALID?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Mr. G
I was addressing Nickdfresh...

No you weren't, you were just again scrutinizing psychiatry with your typical half-truths and lies of omission. I never said I totally agreed with psychiatry...

...if you read the post it's not that difficult.

It is for you, there are several posts in which you completely skipped over...

...How about ANOTHER opinion from a Psychiatrist:

Dr. Peter Breggin
Sun Jul 17, 1:27 PM ET

On June 25, July 2005 Tom Cruise did the unthinkable on TV...Tom pointed out that Matt Lauer actually was very “glib” (shallow) and didn’t know what he was talking about. He also urged Matt to be “more responsible” and to learn something about psychiatry before touting it.

...

So what? BREGGIN probably set his cause back several years and soiled his reputation by co-opting with CRUISE.

Why won't CRUISE discuss Scientology with LAUER? Hew can recite BS about knowing (what he's been told by the Church) re. psychiatry. but never can openly discuss psychiatry.


Here's some background on BREGGIN, and what his wife thinks of the Cult...er..."Church" of Scientology.


From: http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/breggen2.htm

Dr. Peter Breggin
Scientology


Q: Anybody heard of a Dr. Peter Breggin and a connection to CoS?


A: Dr. Peter Breggin is a high-profile *non-Scientologist* critic of psychiatry. Certainly, Scientology has tried to use his writings--like _Your Drug May Be Your Problem_--to their advantage, but he is no friend of CoS. Breggin runs the Center for the Study of Psychiatry and Psychology, and he criticizes involuntary commitment, psychiatric drug overprescription (as he considers to be much use of Ritalin and Prozac), and ECT.

So do I btw, I agree with him as stated before in this thread, but that's not the issue despite your attempts to make it so.

His website is at http://www.breggin.com/.

However, he's certainly no ally of the Church of Scientology.

His wife, Ginger Ross Breggin, is an ex-Scientologist who left with Peter's help after they met. Both of them provide endorsements for Steven Hassan's new book, Releasing the Bonds (of presentation-to-Travolta fame), on Steve's website, http://www.freedomofmind.com/. Ginger's discusses her experience in Scn:

"For sixteen hours a day and a paycheck averaging $40 a week I gave more than a decade of my youth to a cult. Although it is eighteen years since I have left the cult, Steve Hassan's book Releasing the Bonds has provided me with new insights and additional healing. His book offers fresh perspectives and tools that can lead to letting go of the shame, recognizing one's personal goodness, and appreciating one's strength and integrity. I urge every former cult member to read Releasing the Bonds, Hassan's book will also be a reassuring message for families and friends who have suffered the loss of a loved one to a cult as well as offering a basic introduction to cult issues."

Ginger Ross Breggin Executive Director of the International Center for the Study of Psychiatry and Psychology "Releasing the Bonds is a compassionate and intelligent guide for anyone who has ever been caught up in a cult or cult-like organization. Hassan offers perceptive and non-coercive guidance to family and friends of those whose idealism or vulnerability has led them to become cult members. Further, the book provides valuable insights into the control and manipulation that can occur in abusive personal relationships such as those experienced by battered women. It is a vital tool for professionals and laypersons alike."

Peter R. Breggin, M.D.

Author of Your Drug May Be Your Problem: How and Why to Stop Taking Psychiatric Drugs There are plenty of non-Scn, non-CCHR connected critics of psychiatry; unfortunately, Scn/CCHR more or less tries to continually claim their mantle as their own, "take over" issues and dominate debate and discussion with "dead-agent" material and "psych-buster" spam of the type we've seen here on ARS.

That's because *they* perceive psychiatry as the Enemy of Scientology. There's no real concern about "psychiatric abuses"
as such; this is entirely secondary to the role of psychiatrists as eternal suppressives seeking to destroy the only way to "total freedom for humanity--Scientology. The other critics of psychiatry may be agreed or disagreed with, but they do not adopt that perspective, and quite often will have nothing to do with the Scientologists if at all possible, or once they find out who and what CCHR and other Scn organizations are fronting for.

While they are often quite controversial, the views of the Breggins and other such critics of psychiatry do not stem from a connection to Scn.






So MR. G, I've answered all or your redundant and repetitive questions, NOW ANSWER MINE!

**What do you think of the effectiveness of E-Meters?

**Show me a study which gauges the effectiveness of E-meters...

Put up or shut up! Or else you are just a nihilist, bullshiter!

[Hardrock69]

I am amazed at this idiot, Mr. G. He must be unable to read or comprehend English.

[blonddgirl777]

Sorry... just trying to get rid of the big ugly thread (by bumping this one)...

[Mr. G]

Nickdfresh, I don't know how many times I have to tell you this but I don't care what you think of Scientology, no really. Your mind is already made up, isn't it? I have simply asked anyone to post ANY scientific study proving Psychiatry's claim of the chemical imbalance theory. There are many Psychiatrists and Neurologists coming out lately stating that the whole thing has been a scam as has been posted here. If you were genuinely interested you would read a book, you wouldn't take my opinion on the subject. Right? One of the more amazing things about this thread is that I haven't called anyone names but have asked ONE question to which there has been no reply specifically and it has pissed off a few people. Hardrock, Vinnie and Nickdfresh on the other hand when pressed for an answer can't stay on topic but result to sniveling like a little kid. They must feel like they are loosing the intellectual argument. Too bad.

[Hardrock69]

Mr. G., how many times do we have to tell you:

We don't care what you fucking think about chemically imbalanced Psychiatry! No really. Your mind is already made up for you by the Xenu Worshippers you blindly follow.

I have simply asked anyone to post ANY scientific study proving Scientology's claim of the OT theory. There are many Scientologists coming out lately stating the whole thing has been a scam as has been posted here. If you were genuinely interested you would read a book, you wouldn't take my factual experience on the subject. Right? One of the more amazing things about this thread is that I and others have called you what you are: An idiot of the highest caliber. And we have provided MUCH irrefutable information to which there has been no reply specifically and it has not pissed anyone off, because myself, Vinnie & Nickdfresh have pressed YOU for answers, but you can't stay on topic and you resort to sniveling like a little kid.

You have and continue to "loose" any intellectual arguments you ever attempted. Too bad? I think not.

You continue to snivel about something nobody gives a fuck about.

How long are you going to go on about Psychiatry and chemical imbalances?

You are beating a dead horse until it is a moist stain in the ground, and then you are beating it even more until you have dug a trench!

Shut the fuck up about it already!

Simply because you have a pet peeve about this subject does not mean anyone else is interested in discussing it or trying to prove anything about it!


Oooooh so you claim it does not work....ok show us Scientific PROOF that Scientology works!

Come on...where are your studies by The Mayo Clinic, or Harvard, or Oxford, or ANY respected medical/scientific organaization?????

Come on, fool...let's see some proof.

You are very close to being banished to the Sheep Pen!

You have no mud, and you have no Larg.

Get over it already.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Mr. G., how many times do we have to tell you:

We don't care what you fucking think about chemically imbalanced Psychiatry! No really. Your mind is already made up for you by the Xenu Worshippers you blindly follow.

I have simply asked anyone to post ANY scientific study proving Scientology's claim of the OT theory. There are many Scientologists coming out lately stating the whole thing has been a scam as has been posted here. If you were genuinely interested you would read a book, you wouldn't take my factual experience on the subject. Right? One of the more amazing things about this thread is that I and others have called you what you are: An idiot of the highest caliber. And we have provided MUCH irrefutable information to which there has been no reply specifically and it has not pissed anyone off, because myself, Vinnie & Nickdfresh have pressed YOU for answers, but you can't stay on topic and you resort to sniveling like a little kid.

You have and continue to "loose" any intellectual arguments you ever attempted. Too bad? I think not.

You continue to snivel about something nobody gives a fuck about.

How long are you going to go on about Psychiatry and chemical imbalances?

You are beating a dead horse until it is a moist stain in the ground, and then you are beating it even more until you have dug a trench!

Shut the fuck up about it already!

Simply because you have a pet peeve about this subject does not mean anyone else is interested in discussing it or trying to prove anything about it!


Oooooh so you claim it does not work....ok show us Scientific PROOF that Scientology works!

Come on...where are your studies by The Mayo Clinic, or Harvard, or Oxford, or ANY respected medical/scientific organaization?????

Come on, fool...let's see some proof.

You are very close to being banished to the Sheep Pen!

You have no mud, and you have no Larg.

Get over it already.

What he said. I'm tired of MR.G, the Xioborgian level 3 assclown...:D

[Hardrock69]

Sorry for mentioning the Sheep Pen....as gay as Spambo The Flatulent fans are, I think Mr. G would be an insult to their gayness. Perhaps we should banish him to...

DUN dun DAAAAAAHHHHH!!!

****THE HITCHWORLD DUMP!****