Tom Cruise says He knows the history of Psychiatry

[Mr. G]

OK, here is the difference: I have not made any "claims" about Scientology at all but here is what Hardrock said: "Funny how some peeps "need proof" that there is such a thing as a chemical imbalance."

"Claiming that there is NO scientific evidence that there is such a thing, and that there is NO scientific evidence to prove that psychiatry and/or drugs can treat such a problem."
So you ARE saying there is proof. So where is it, where is the lab test? YOU are making the claim so back it up. You don't seem like the type to be a sheep and just go along with an idea just because it is popular. So let's see it.

[thome]

Domo ori gatto mr robotto

tools for the masses YES

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Mr. G
OK, here is the difference: I have not made any "claims" about Scientology at all but here is what Hardrock said: "Funny how some peeps "need proof" that there is such a thing as a chemical imbalance."

I never made any "claims" about psychiatry other than to state that it is the far lessor of two evils. You attacked psychiatry on behalf of a kooky, and discredited "religion" as TOM CRUISE did due to you affiliations to SCIENTOLOGY. And there is indirect "proof of chemical imbalances" provided indirectly via CAT SCAN.

"Claiming that there is NO scientific evidence that there is such a thing, and that there is NO scientific evidence to prove that psychiatry and/or drugs can treat such a problem."
So you ARE saying there is proof. So where is it, where is the lab test? YOU are making the claim so back it up. You don't seem like the type to be a sheep and just go along with an idea just because it is popular. So let's see it.

We have provided proof. You've provided nothing but your feeble attempts to attack psychiatry while seeking complete denial with your pseudo-alternative.

Asshole, I also made no initial claims about psychiatry and have actually criticized it, yet you keep making yourself look like a stupid zombie by asking the same question over and over. If you ask a question, then be prepared to answer them. It's called a debate fool, something you're not interested in.

Now where is my scientific study on the effectiveness of "E-meters?"

[Nickdfresh]

See MR.G, it's not that hard:


Pseudo Science Friday II: E-Meters

Genre: Pseudo-Science Fridays

There is a quote from Isaac Asimov that eludes me, but when paraphrased says something to the effect that pseudoscience offers us the security blanket of comfort for the inexplicable; it is science that makes us uneasy and insecure. The continued perpetuation of less-than-sound rationale marks a species still entrenched in satisfying their need for explanation to such a greedy degree they latch onto that which has yet been proven for slightly more consolation (Ed. Note: run-on sentences are not a pseudoscience). While science is inherently discomforting in it’s explanations for many people, pseudoscience is an unnecessary alternative. Again, “Pseudo-Science Friday” seeks only to expose poor scientific practices; more information on the enclosed topic can be found on the link provided below. Forging ahead…

In our previous century (the twentieth for those not counting), the L. Ron Hubbard fan club, somehow reaching the level of an organized religious gang called “Scientologists,” exploited the idea of the security blanked when they introduced their own version of truth serum, or, “lie detectors,” in their use of the E-Meter. At the risk of losing The Means’ core demographic, Scientologists and random believers in Dianetics, allow me to explain the E-Meter. This machine is supposed to identify key areas within the human body that exude unwanted emotions, and allow participants to release the bad energy. Specially trained “auditors” are the only beings able to wield this ultimate tool of truth, or at least read what its gauges say.


Travolta: Are you sure you’re not getting any readings on my vitals, Doc?

Auditor: Mr. Travolta, you’re borderline braindead according to this, and you’re career is dead according to the box office disaster “Be Cool.”

From what I can gather, the lucky subject grabs onto two metal soda cans hooked together by shoelaces in a fashion not unlike the hit childhood game “Telephone,” and proceeds to feel obligated to purge themselves of non-existent ill feelings. A well-versed auditor will pick up on what and where the pain in your body is, and your ill harmonics will be cleansed. Actors like John Travolta and Tom Cruise attest to it as being some amazing device capable of ridding oneself of the psyche’s debilitating tendencies, but this keen observer recognizes this as tomfoolery of the highest degree.

Dave Touretzky of Carnegie Mellon University has created a wonderful site dedicated to the fallacies of the E-Meter found here, which gives further information on this fun-for-the-family-(or-just-the-easily-duped) device. One interesting fact you’ll find on this device is that its actual creator, Volney Mathison, created the E-Meter for use in psychoanalysis and psychotherapy, two fields of study vehemently denounced by Scientology. That would be like me denouncing a basketball because the rims you play on are too high for me to dunk on.

While little can be done to prevent Scientologists from continuing their ridiculous charade, we can petition Campbell’s Soup and other makers of tin can products to not allow their merchandise to be used as handlebars for wild rides on the pseudoscience side. It is the hope of this most humble author that help will come in the form of reason, and that the truth shall be more glorious than L. Ron Hubbard ever created.


L. Ron Hubbard, dreamer and perpetuator of the pseudosciences/occult

Written by: Chris on March 25, 2005 @ 6:50 pm

So, is this why we keep the attack up on psychriatric drugs, so people can save their money for the $4000 E-Meter by not buying Ritalin?

[Mr. G]

Hey Nickdfresh, did you read my post? I had posted what Hardrock stated earlier in the thread. I am not attacking Psychiatry on behalf of anyone, I am just asking for proof. You stated that a Cat Scan in "idirect" proof? Since when is "indirect" proof? I know you have criticized Psychiatry earlier in the thread I was asking Hardrock to back up his earlier statement but he seems to have changed his mind according to his last post. You can dance around the subject all day but until someone posts just One blood test or lab test it is all just opinion. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion just don't pretend it's scientific.

[Rebel]

Looks like this arguement is going in circles, some people just have beliefs that aren't going to be changed. Some people don't believe in "drugs", some people do, and some people go to church on Sunday and dance with rattlesnakes, it's just the way it is.

But I will say this, there may be no "direct" proof of chemical imbalances, but there is plenty of proof on the MOA of these drugs, and their clinical effectiveness is WELL described, so that's enough for me.

That's one thing that is greatly lost in scientology's arguements, they point to lab results, any physician worth a shit will tell you lab results are just a small part of the clinical effectiveness of a treatment.

THe "direct" arguement will always be able to be used until some kinda half-assed biopsy is run on somebody's noodle, anybody wanna sign up for that?

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by thome
Domo ori gatto mr robotto

tools for the masses YES

Kill Roy!, Kill Roy!, Kill Roy!

:D

[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by Mr. G
OK, here is the difference: I have not made any "claims" about Scientology at all but here is what Hardrock said: "Funny how some peeps "need proof" that there is such a thing as a chemical imbalance."

"Claiming that there is NO scientific evidence that there is such a thing, and that there is NO scientific evidence to prove that psychiatry and/or drugs can treat such a problem."
So you ARE saying there is proof. So where is it, where is the lab test? YOU are making the claim so back it up. You don't seem like the type to be a sheep and just go along with an idea just because it is popular. So let's see it.

Let me guess....you are not human, you are a scratchy, fucked up, old warped vinyl LP of some kind of L. Ron Hoover lecture, endlessly repeating the same paragraph over and over and over.

You are stuck on the timeline. You require massive amounts of auditing. Of course auditing will never help you. You like to believe it will, but there is no proof that it will.

The above statement that you quoted was purposely taken by you out of context to prop up an un-provable and quite fictional theory. The context being, it is up to YOU to prove that there is no such ting as "Chemical Imbalances", or that Psychiatry "does not work".

We do not have to prove shit, motherfucker.

PROVE YOUR STATEMENTS TO BE TRUE!

Why don't you prove this to us out of your years of first-hand experience in the medical field?

You are contiually sniveling like a 2-year-old about how Psychiatry does not work.

So you have spoken with EVERY SINGLE HUMAN who has ever undergone ANY form of therapy over the past 100 years?

Boy this is fun...tormenting this fool....



COME ON Mr. "G", you ignorant slut!

WHERE IS THE PROOF!!!!



PROVE THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CHEMICAL IMBALANCES!!!!!

You can't.

All you are doing is mindlessly repeating some lame bullshit without any proof to back it up.

COME ON PROVE IT YOU IGNORANT WOMBAT!!!!

[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by Rebel

THe "direct" arguement will always be able to be used until some kinda half-assed biopsy is run on somebody's noodle, anybody wanna sign up for that?

Mr. G would volunteer if he only had a brain.....

[Hardrock69]

:D

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Mr. G
Hey Nickdfresh, did you read my post? I had posted what Hardrock stated earlier in the thread. I am not attacking Psychiatry.....

Limp dick...Did you ANY OF MY posts? I stated I could give a shit about whatever you think of psychology, and the state of it in general?!

TELL ME ABOUT E-METER's!

[Hardrock69]

Hey Nick, here is a great page detailing the Iron-Fisted Dick-'tater of Scientology himself:

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion/cult/l-ron-hubbard/

Here he is tripping on acid as he types nonsensical bullshit into an old fashioned typewriter in the late 50s:

[Mr. G]

Hardrock you should run for office. You say one thing and then when somebody calls you on it you say "Oh it was out of context" or "I didn't mean that at all." All of your yelling and screaming just proves my point more and more each time. If you actually had proof as you say you have, you would have posted it just to make me look like an idiot which I know you want to do as you like to make less of people, but you can't and it pisses you off. Your whole "it is true until someone "proves" it otherwise", is like saying there is no such thing as gravity and this will be true untill someone can prove otherwise. If that was the case, any person could make ANY claim and I guess you would be fine with that. What a sheep.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Mr. G
Hardrock you should run for office. You say one thing and then when somebody calls you on it you say "Oh it was out of context" or "I didn't mean that at all." All of your yelling and screaming just proves my point more and more each time. If you actually had proof as you say you have, you would have posted it just to make me look like an idiot which I know you want to do as you like to make less of people, but you can't and it pisses you off. Your whole "it is true until someone "proves" it otherwise", is like saying there is no such thing as gravity and this will be true untill someone can prove otherwise. If that was the case, any person could make ANY claim and I guess you would be fine with that. What a sheep.

PRICELESS!!

Ha ha! Are you really a scientologist? If you are, calling anybody a SHEEP is absolutely hysterical!

What has been proven is that drugs like Ritalin work for people with valid, diagnosed ADD. I've seen palpable changes myself if certain subjects. That's called empirical evidence...

Why don't you Google the internet on it? BTW, when did this thread turn ionto a "chemical imbalance" pieve for you? It was never mentioned by CRUISE or LAUER, though I haven't read the transcript for a while. And how can you sit here and demand that people "prove" anything to you? Prove something to me...

[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by Mr. G
Hardrock you should run for office. You say one thing and then when somebody calls you on it you say "Oh it was out of context" or "I didn't mean that at all." All of your yelling and screaming just proves my point more and more each time. If you actually had proof as you say you have, you would have posted it just to make me look like an idiot which I know you want to do as you like to make less of people, but you can't and it pisses you off. Your whole "it is true until someone "proves" it otherwise", is like saying there is no such thing as gravity and this will be true untill someone can prove otherwise. If that was the case, any person could make ANY claim and I guess you would be fine with that. What a sheep.

LMFAO!!! :D:D:D:D:D
You fucking tool.

I am not interested in proving anything! :D

Whether or not Psychiatry works or not is irrelevant to me! I have NEVER ever claimed to have proof, and I have told you this repeatedly, yet you still are unable to understand that simple fact!



This guy must be an alias...nobody could be that stupid...not even Edward Van Alcohol.......

My only interest here is to see if you can a) back up your claims that it does not work (you can't), and b) admit that Scientology is a corrupt organization created by a delusional alcoholic madman (you won't), and c) derive massive amounts of entertainment value for myself and my esteemed colleagues as you beg and plead in vain for someobdy to give you proof that psychiatry works (we all have).

You are so desperate to have proof of this...it seems very likely that you are insane, you realize that Scientology is a scam, and you will do anything to gain some kind of psychiatric help in order to figure out what the fuck is wrong with your life, as Scientology is obviously not helping you to do anything except be poor, and (according to the Great Sage Frank Zappa) learn German.


I am not required by you or anyone else to prove there is such a thing as "chemical imbalances", nor am I required to prove Psychiatry works. Furthermore, (I will repeat this for the 439th time just for the hilarity of it) I have never ever been interested in proving either.

I am simply calling you out, you pathetic trollop, to back up your claims that Psychiatry does not work.

And you cannot! In the meantime, I have wasted much of your time, and all the while you prove to everyone reading this that a) you are unable to confront the issues at hand (which I have pointed out repeatedly), and b) you are unable to put together any sort of coherent case to prove your point!

What kind of Scientologist are you? You are pretty fucking pathetic.

I think JesterStar is a better Scientologist than you are.
As a result, you reinforce the factual notion that Scientology is nothing more than a high-tech school of con artists, populated by mindless zombies.

HA! Some representative of Scientology you are...


You have no idea how many tears of laughter have been shed by many of us here at your incredibly moronic mumblings.....

Who is the sheep now, dumbass???
:D

I think for penance you need to go find L. Ron Hoover's grave, dig him up, and then shove his bone up your rectal cavity until you see the spirit of Xenu....

:D