Tom Cruise says He knows the history of Psychiatry

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by Mr. G
Vinnie Velvet, First off there is no "belief system". Scientology is not something to believe, it is something to do. The bottom line in any endever is it either works or it doesn't. I for one never just go along and believe in something just because someone tells me to, I think you would agree with that. In fact one of the early things I read was that if it is true for you then it is true and if it is not true for you it is not true. There is no sense really in going along believing in something if it doesn't actually work. Fair enough? As far as Lisa MacPherson I don't know anything about that so I wouldn't have a legitimate opinion on that.

You said you've been a Scientologist for 16 years.

I'm sure you heard of the case of Lisa MacPherson (died in 1995) since it certainly didn't put your 'Church' in a good light.

Maybe you're afraid to touch that issue.

Curious: what level are you actually at with Scientology??

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by Seshmeister

Good one, Sesh.

That's about sums it up.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Some more info. on "The History of (Scientology)."

http://www.holysmoke.org/theta.htm

Excellent site, Nick.

Read the Scientology logs in regards to Lisa MacPherson's last days.

This person clearly needed expert medical assistance and all she was given was vitamins!!!

She of course died.

Such a horrific story.

Scientology kills.

[Hardrock69]

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[Hardrock69]

Wow...so L. Ron Hoover was against psychiatry?

Why was he begging them for help and for further medication??

[Hardrock69]

"I would say that 99 per cent of what my father has written about his own life is false." --- L. Ron Hubbard Jr.



The biography of L. Ron Hubbard shows a man who was incapable of telling the truth: a pathological liar who hated and despise humanity; a sociopath caught between the conflicting desires to earn the admiration of humanity, and his desire to inflict great pain and misery upon those who ignored him and refused him his self-perceived due measure of honor and reverie (which was and is 99.999% of his fellow human beings).

As such, Mister Hubbard was constantly trying to purchase glory and recognition when he had the funds to make the attempt, or stole that recognition by lying and deceiving when money wasn't enough. Mister Hubbard was driven by greed and megalomania. He was a devout racist who wrote in praise of South African Apartheid; he was a crazed misogynist who insisted women were inferior intellectually--- later in life his venereal disease (caught from a whore while on leave from the Navy) instilled within him a fear and dread of womankind that expressed itself in insanity and impotency.

The life of Hubbard was that of one long series of pathetic failures, punctuated with a few greed-driven successes once he developed what he called "The religion angle" for the worthless "self-help" sham he fabricated called "Dianetics® / Scientology®."

Hubbard was a petty thief; a wife beater; and sociopath; a drug-addicted, rum besotted schizophrenic who once begged the United States government for psychiatric help but was ignored, to the detriment of his many victims. One FBI agent wrote of Hubbard, "appears mental," which is a short and accurate summation of Mr. Hubbard.


Here is a collection of documents and info that show L. Ron Hoover for what he was.....a Con Artist of the highest order....

So why did he not take credit for that? He tried to take credit for many other things....all untrue.....

http://www.clambake.org/archive/ronthenut/

[Vinnie Velvet]

Wow.

Amazing how this Scientology crap is still around.

No doubt, it continually gets funded through the deep pockets of such actors as Lunatic Cruise and even former Sweathog, John Travolta.

I applaude those whose efforts are to bring down this cult.

Great find, Hardrock!

[Hardrock69]

It is truly amazing how paranoid L. Ron Hoover was.

Enough so that they even hatched a plan to infiltrate government agencies with Scientologists that he thought were out to "get him".

"In the 1970's, under Mary Sue Hubbard's direction (L. Ron Hoover's wife), the Church of Scientology devised a plan to place clandestine Church members as employees in various U.S. government agencies that Hubbard considered "suppressive". This was a highly-secret operation, known only to the elite staff in the Guardian Office. Extrordinary steps were taken to conceal Hubbard's actual control of the overall operation.

In 1976 Hubbard sold off his fleet and went ashore in Florida. Numerous dummy corporations were set up to conceal any connection with Hubbard or Scientology. Hubbard set up elaborate precautions to conceal his actual whereabouts. Federal Law Enforcement agencies caught on to the Church plot to steal government records and Mary Sue Hubbard and several other Church leaders in the Guardian Office were indicted and convicted on Federal charges. Hubbard continued to elude detection or the serving of subpoeneas."

http://www.clambake.org/archive/ronthenut/conspire.htm

[Hardrock69]

Here is an episode of ABC's 20/20 where they interview L. Ron Hoover's own son, as well as other Scientology officials who got tired of the bullshit...


Download - 56k

Download - Broadband

Transcript is here:

http://www.xenutv.com/us/2020-1.htm

[ashstralia]

^^^^

hahahahah!!!!!!

[Terry]

The idea of Tom Cruise and Brooke Shields being the persons to spark a serious debate about post-partum depression.....wait, amend that to ANYTHING...is utterly laughable. As is Tom Cruise and Matt Lauer engaging in earnest discussions about the benefits of psychiatry.

Somebody needs to sit those three down, tell them to stick to their bullshit entertainment fluff, and leave the serious questions to those of us who live on planet earth.

[Mr. G]

Vinnie Velvelt and HardRock69 I have answered many of your questions and you have not answered not one of mine. HardRock finally just went away for a while went I pushed him for an answer and now he is back. Good. Lets do this one at a time. He said he had proof of the workability of Psychiatry but that it is irrelevant. How is having proof irrelevant? Come on guys if you are going to ask questions you are going to have to answer some. Your reply will be one of three: 1.You either know it's bs and are afraid to admit it. 2. You actually don't know but don't really care. 3. You will tell me to go screw myself because I am asking pointed questions and you have no answer.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Hey, who said we were experts in Psychiatry??

Not me.

However, what we have been doing arguing against the basis of this thing called Scientology and its merits.

You obviously have no rebuttle against the proof and documents either Sesh and HardRock have been posting here, slaging them off and saying its 'BS'.

Yeah, okay.

[Seshmeister]

I think a lot of psychiatry is bullshit especially the therapists listening to people whine all day. Extreme inbalances can be helped though and people at least stablised and I would rather it was done using drugs than by a cult using simple mind control/hypnosis tricks and taking all their money off them.

Cheers!

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Mr. G
Vinnie Velvet, First off there is no "belief system". Scientology is not something to believe, it is something to do. The bottom line in any endever is it either works or it doesn't. I for one never just go along and believe in something just because someone tells me to, I think you would agree with that. In fact one of the early things I read was that if it is true for you then it is true and if it is not true for you it is not true. There is no sense really in going along believing in something if it doesn't actually work. Fair enough? As far as Lisa MacPherson I don't know anything about that so I wouldn't have a legitimate opinion on that.