Workers Unions

[Carmine]

The trouble with a company like Wal-Mart is that they start you off with a decent salary and benefits. Sorry Pink, but there is no such thing, to me, as a worker who doesnt deserve a decent wage and benefit package with which to support their family! That is why all Unions, mine included, hold a relentless pursuit of Wal MArt and companies like them. And that is also why, Wal Mart is so afraid of being organized!

[Pink Spider]

Originally posted by FORD
In the 90's I might have agreed with that statement, but given the BCE damaged economy, and the fact that Wal Mart may be the only option in some small towns, given their fascist business practices of forcing everyone else out of business, the reality for some people just might be that bleak.

Irony is that most places where this reality would exist would be in "red" states.

Wal-Mart doesn't sell everything...yet. There are business' that can and do survive against them. By the way, you'd never find much business choices in small towns. Wal-Mart or not. They're called small towns for a reason.

[Carmine]

Originally posted by Pink Spider
Wal-Mart doesn't sell everything...yet. There are business' that can and do survive against them. By the way, you'd never find much business choices in small towns. Wal-Mart or not. They're called small towns for a reason.

Not many. Ames department stores were CRUSHED across the country by Wal MArt. That is there tact, they move into small towns and take out all the competition. Family run businesses that had survived for generations fold within a short time once Wal Mart comes to "save your town"

[Nickdfresh]

Aside from that, Walmart sucks to shop at. Crowed aisles and way too many low-class people. It's not worth the money you save, if you really save much at all.

[Pink Spider]

Originally posted by Carmine Raguzza.
The trouble with a company like Wal-Mart is that they start you off with a decent salary and benefits. Sorry Pink, but there is no such thing, to me, as a worker who doesnt deserve a decent wage and benefit package with which to support their family! That is why all Unions, mine included, hold a relentless pursuit of Wal MArt and companies like them. And that is also why, Wal Mart is so afraid of being organized!

What's stopping the workers from getting a better job or starting their own? Instead of keeping a company in business that sells products that were made in a dictatorship? The reasons that companies like this exist is because people continue to work for them. Even if you try to unionize Wal-Mart. They'll just shut down that certain location like they did when it was tried before.

[Carmine]

You dont save at all. Thats why store like that exist. Not just a Wal Mart, but like stores. You always end up buying more than you went in for, its human nature. You see something and buy it, usaully forgetting what you went for in the first place...lol

[Carmine]

Originally posted by Pink Spider
What's stopping the workers from getting a better job or starting their own? Instead of keeping a company in business that sells products that were made in a dictatorship? The reasons that companies like this exist is because people continue to work for them. Even if you try to unionize Wal-Mart. They'll just shut down that certain location like they did when it was tried before.

Everybody needs a job. There is no fault on a person getting a job there. I have a cousin who has worked for them for 10 years. Its stability. Its a steady check for him, his wife and kids. The problem is, that you get whatever they want you to have in regard to future wage and benefits. Even if a group of employees organized from within(a staff union) not affiliated with a international union at all, they still run the risk of immedaite termination. Thats the problem, why shouldnt a worker be able to walk into the bosses office and ask for a raise? Why are they so afraid of being organized, this All-American company?

[Pink Spider]

Originally posted by Carmine Raguzza.
The problem is, that you get whatever they want you to have in regard to future wage and benefits. Even if a group of employees organized from within(a staff union) not affiliated with a international union at all, they still run the risk of immedaite termination. Thats the problem, why shouldnt a worker be able to walk into the bosses office and ask for a raise? Why are they so afraid of being organized, this All-American company?

Capitalism isn't fair and it isn't required to be. If someone insistently asks for a raise and fails to work properly, shouldn't the company have the rights to fire this person? I would say yes. If a union wants to organize then they should have to take that risk without protection from the government. Anything else is not capitalism and I don't see a workers society being very innovative or free.

I've been on the other side of the argument and have heard all their excuses and found that they're mostly full of shit. Capitalism is the only free system capable of innovation in the long run. You get only what you deserve and in the other case you get what you haven't earned.

[ODShowtime]

I work WITH a union and they fucking suck. They reward mediocrity and teach workers they can get away with all kinds of shit.

That, and the union used their leverage here so management couldn't get any raises. Bullshit.

They do have uses and benefits though in certain industries and companies. But they open up all new problems.

[Pink Spider]

Originally posted by Pink Spider
Capitalism is the only free system capable of innovation in the long run. You get only what you deserve and in the other case you get what you haven't earned.

Am I imagining things or am I starting to sound like Ashcroft?

Bush and Republicans are fucking idiots!

That's better. :D

[Carmine]

Originally posted by Pink Spider
Am I imagining things or am I starting to sound like Ashcroft?

Bush and Republicans are fucking idiots!

That's better. :D

LMAO! I was just getting ready to respond to your previous post, I like this one better!

[Nickdfresh]

I can't believe a Denny thread turned into something worthwhile.

[ODShowtime]

we're enablers

[FORD]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I can't believe a Denny thread turned into something worthwhile.

He will be so disappointed. He's probably "unionizing" panda spam pics to "strike" against us as we speak.

[Viking]

Originally posted by FORD:

He will be so disappointed. He's probably "unionizing" panda spam pics to "strike" against us as we speak.

OUCH! Panda dockworkers trained to kneecap rival troops?:D