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  • Denny
    Banned
    • Oct 2004
    • 423

    #46
    And there's MORE!!!!

    BUILDING WORKER GROUP WIN IN MILTON KEYNES



    On January 6th a bricklayer in Northampton UCATT told branch secretary Brian Higgins that he and 12 others had been sacked that morning on their return from the Xmas break. Eight others had started in their place! At the invitation of the men Brian went to Milton Keynes two days later and established that the men were entitled to notice or pay in lieu of notice. As there were only a couple of weeks left on the job the men involved demanded that all wages owing and a week's wages in lieu be paid that day or they would picket the site the next morning. The bosses thought this was a bluff and didn't settle but contacted UCATT headquarters instead. UCATT "organiser" Dominic Hehir, who is threatening Brian Higgins with a libel action (see BF210) said Higgins had no authority. At 7.15am the next day the picket was on. By 9am the site was at a standstill and by 1pm the contractor had settled in full. Once again, direct action gets the goods.

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    • Carmine
      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
      • Apr 2004
      • 7693

      #47
      Originally posted by Denny
      Solidarity Needed for Scottish Construction Worker

      The question arises: Where does a union official such as Hehir receive the funds to hire lawyers for his suit? The only answer Higgins and his supporters can see is from UCATT and employers who want to see Higgins and the militant Building Workers Group silenced.


      http://www.iww.org/~iw/oct1997/stories/330.htm
      This is disgusting to me, I hope this Hehir used UNION funds to file suit against a brother member!If so, this Higgins fellow will be the next President of a new and HONEST local!

      Thanks for the link, I'm curious....

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      • Carmine
        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
        • Apr 2004
        • 7693

        #48
        Originally posted by Denny
        . At 7.15am the next day the picket was on. By 9am the site was at a standstill and by 1pm the contractor had settled in full. Once again, direct action gets the goods.

        http://flag.blackened.net/blackflag/211/211bw.htm
        Good for them! Direct action does get the goods! Everytime!

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        • BigBadBrian
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Jan 2004
          • 10625

          #49
          Originally posted by Carmine Raguzza.
          WHOA NOW! I feel about a 15 page rant coming, but,I'll try to keep it simple. Companies are Offshoring because they wont have to pay their employees an honest days pay and because of the JAGOFF thats in the White House! Unions are the only line of protection AGAINST such an act from happening to any company. Granted, the NLRB has been watered down by Bush and he is still trying to repel labor laws that have been in place for decades, but, without a union to file a charge with the NLRB you are at that companies disposal! As for dues, 1 hours pay a week is nothing for what a worker receives in return! Most would gladly pay MORE, however, it isnt neccessary!
          Uhh....no. This is a gross oversimplification of what is going on.

          Offshoring is going on because it is cheaper to pay foreign workers than American workers. It's really quite that simple. Labor costs are a cost of doing business for any firm. There is no getting around that.

          Unions have contributed to that cost over the last hundred years by bargaining for better wages, pension plans, medical and dental plans, maternity and paternity leave, etc. Do American workers need these things? Yes. Did these things contribute to higher labor costs for the individual firm? Yes. Did they cause some firms to go looking for cheaper labor abroad? Yes.

          That doesn't make it right, but that is what is happening.

          Hanging the offshoring scam on one President is wrong, particularly when the process is been in the works for decades.
          “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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          • Denny
            Banned
            • Oct 2004
            • 423

            #50
            Originally posted by Carmine Raguzza.
            This is disgusting to me, I hope this Hehir used UNION funds to file suit against a brother member!If so, this Higgins fellow will be the next President of a new and HONEST local!

            Thanks for the link, I'm curious....
            Brian Higgins is a HERO of mine. He works relentlessly for WORKERS rights. Hehir was told to DROP the lawsuit against Brian Higgins because there was no way in hell he could win.

            Brian hasn't worked construction now in about 20 years because of his DIRECT action against ASSHOLE COnstruction firms, he has been banned from EVERY construction site over in England and Scotland.

            He dedicates all of his time to fighting for workers rights. Improvements in Construction site safety, fair wages.

            Another thing he is fighting is Construction firms from Hiring workers from EASTERN EUROPE which is putting Highly Skilled Tradesmen out of work and is of course lowering the wages HIGHLY SKILLED men should BE earning.

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            • ODShowtime
              ROCKSTAR

              • Jun 2004
              • 5812

              #51
              Originally posted by Denny
              Brian Higgins is a HERO of mine. he has been banned from EVERY construction site over in England and Scotland.

              sounds like one of your role models.
              gnaw on it

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49570

                #52
                Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
                Look Nick I know you're going to go across the grain and defend the unions, but they've become what they were designed to protect against!

                They harbor the lazy, old and unmotivated of individuals while proposing high wages of which the workers pay back in the form of dues. They are the reason for offshoring. Look at every facet of enterprise that's been raped by a union and where are they now?

                Nice pic of yourself too. Better grab a plunger if you want to move up to steward!
                See Madd, that's YOUR PROBLEM! You make assumptions about me. I am very skeptical of unions. Problem is, unlike you, I am even MORE SKEPTICAL of the coporate elite that cost this country far more and do the most damage.

                Why should an already way over-paid (in comparision w/ Japan & Europe) corporate CEO get fired for being corrupt, lazy or incompetent and then get a HUGE severance package for not working for one, two, even FIVE FUCKING YEARS!? More than the cost of five workers salaries? Explain that one and we'll talk about Unions.

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                • Denny
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 423

                  #53
                  Originally posted by ODShowtime
                  sounds like one of your role models.
                  YEAP!!!!!

                  Have a Nice Day™

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                  • DrMaddVibe
                    ROTH ARMY ELITE
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 6686

                    #54
                    Don't make it seem like it wasn't happening under Clinton too. Everything can't be Bush's fault. There's peons here that scream he's stupid and then there's people in this thread that claim he's causing the New World Order!

                    Make up your mind!

                    Sam Walton would have his kids heads on a pike if he knew they were operating his business like they're doing now. This isn't the way he conducted business. He would rescue companies going under because of unions and keep the labor and the entire business running but exclusively for Walmart! Now the kids are cashing in on offshoring and letting the 3rd world manufacture everything and pay the shipping!

                    As far as job skills go...where's the big training programs? They're virtually non-existent! Standing around and waiting for "skilled" labor? Gimmie a break. If you want to hijack a business through extortion then go ahead and keep paying your "dues"! I've been in a union and it's definetly NOT for me...even if I was unemployed I wouldn't join again! I'm enjoying a much higher wage and benefits without the representation!
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                    • Nickdfresh
                      SUPER MODERATOR

                      • Oct 2004
                      • 49570

                      #55
                      Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                      Uhh....no. This is a gross oversimplification of what is going on.

                      Offshoring is going on because it is cheaper to pay foreign workers than American workers. It's really quite that simple. Labor costs are a cost of doing business for any firm. There is no getting around that.

                      Unions have contributed to that cost over the last hundred years by bargaining for better wages, pension plans, medical and dental plans, maternity and paternity leave, etc. Do American workers need these things? Yes. Did these things contribute to higher labor costs for the individual firm? Yes. Did they cause some firms to go looking for cheaper labor abroad? Yes.

                      That doesn't make it right, but that is what is happening.

                      Hanging the offshoring scam on one President is wrong, particularly when the process is been in the works for decades.
                      The preceding post was brought to you by our friends at ENRON! Fighting for 'fair and balanced' corporate CEO salaries!

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                      • Carmine
                        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 7693

                        #56
                        Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                        Uhh....no. This is a gross oversimplification of what is going on.

                        Offshoring is going on because it is cheaper to pay foreign workers than American workers. It's really quite that simple. Labor costs are a cost of doing business for any firm. There is no getting around that.

                        Unions have contributed to that cost over the last hundred years by bargaining for better wages, pension plans, medical and dental plans, maternity and paternity leave, etc. Do American workers need these things? Yes. Did these things contribute to higher labor costs for the individual firm? Yes. Did they cause some firms to go looking for cheaper labor abroad? Yes.

                        That doesn't make it right, but that is what is happening.

                        Hanging the offshoring scam on one President is wrong, particularly when the process is been in the works for decades.
                        Thats fine, I respect your opinion. But, Bush is, without a doubt, the most Anti-Union, Anti-worker President ever. On November 26, the republican dominated NLRB, effectivley eliminated the right of Temp agency workers to form a union by ruling that workers cannot be included in a unit without the "Clients" consent. On December 6, Bush appointed Gerald Reynolds, an outspoken opponent of affirmative action to chair the US commission on Civil Rights. In the past 4 years the Bush administration has gutted the collective bargaining rights of tens of thousands of Federal workers, overturned or weakened work place safety rules, eliminated Fair Labor standards Act overtime pay for 8 million workers, attacked prevailing wage laws by banning PLA's, opposed raising the federal minimum wage and supported efforts to silence workers political voice. Off shoring is just but one gift from Bush!

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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49570

                          #57
                          Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
                          Don't make it seem like it wasn't happening under Clinton too. Everything can't be Bush's fault. There's peons here that scream he's stupid and then there's people in this thread that claim he's causing the New World Order!...

                          I agree there is plenty of blame to go around. But I'm speaking from the perspective of people's attitudes which are often very misguided, not anyone president's policies.

                          We are Enablers of Walmart and Enron bullshit.

                          ('s=possessive NickdFresh!)

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                          • DrMaddVibe
                            ROTH ARMY ELITE
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 6686

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                            See Madd, that's YOUR PROBLEM! You make assumptions about me. I am very skeptical of unions. Problem is, unlike you, I am even MORE SKEPTICAL of the coporate elite that cost this country far more and do the most damage.

                            Why should an already way over-paid (in comparision w/ Japan & Europe) corporate CEO get fired for being corrupt, lazy or incompetent and then get a HUGE severance package for not working for one, two, even FIVE FUCKING YEARS!? More than the cost of five workers salaries? Explain that one and we'll talk about Unions.
                            Then why would you put that pic up?

                            If you can garner the pig payday...good for you. If you created something from nothing good for you deserve it. Do you bitch about athelete's pay too? I don't harbor any grudges when it comes to pay or social standing. I don't let money run my world and I don't listen to people that harbor the "fuck the rich"attitude. They employ people, they keep business running. Are there bad or evil ones in the pool...yes there are. Do I wish Kenneth Lay and Gary Winnick were in prison instead of Martha Stewert...yes.

                            Once again, you have to keep the "raincloud" over top of your head and piss and moan about how the world is Bush's fault. Anyone that's made anything out of their life can tell you that you spend way too much time dwelling on what's wrong with everything than what you could be doing constructively with your time!
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                            • Nickdfresh
                              SUPER MODERATOR

                              • Oct 2004
                              • 49570

                              #59
                              Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
                              Then why would you put that pic up?

                              If you can garner the pig payday...good for you. If you created something from nothing good for you deserve it...
                              Then WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM WITH UNIONS?!?

                              (Bullshit doublestandard alert!)

                              BTW, did a UNION FUCK THE STOCKMARKET AFTER THEIR ACCOUNTING SCANDELS were revealed? NO!

                              Adelphia sure did.

                              Fucking Enron and their bullshit, gleefully corrupt "PAYDAYS," sure did!

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                              • Nickdfresh
                                SUPER MODERATOR

                                • Oct 2004
                                • 49570

                                #60
                                Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
                                Then why would you put that pic up?

                                If you can garner the pig payday...good for you. If you created something from nothing good for you deserve it. Do you bitch about athelete's pay too?...
                                Yes, in fact I think ALL leagues, especially the NHL, should have a salary cap in place. Along with a luxery tax of course.

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