Terry Schiavo

[academic punk]

I'm actually confused by this: she's awake and conscious. She has the brain capacity of an 11 month old. Why is she not able to swallow food? It's not like this is a DNR issue. Can she be fed? Why is the feeding tube necessary.

From a legal standpoint, it's a question of "Do we give this person a pacemaker?" And of course the answer is yes.

What is really interesting wiht this is that as much as the right to life crew is clamoring on this one, Christian Scientists are aghast that she was ever given a feeding tube in the first place.

This is something other than a DNR situation. If it were me, if I were unconscious and on life-support, Kill me. Let me go. But this is someone who is *NOT* brain-dead. She recognizes her family, she conveys emotion, she is aware and alert, albeit on a horrifyingly basic level. Still, I'm not clear if or how they're *EXACTLY* killing her by removing the feeding tube if other means of nutrition and sustenance are available.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Most excellent post Cat.

Cat forgot that the greedy bastard husband stands to get several hundred grand when the lady finally passes. Am I wrong here?

He probably would have no interest any longer if no $$$$ were tied to the case. Let's not forget the cute little bimbo tied to his arm we've all seen in the press conferences.

I personally have no problem with DNR's (Do Not Resuscitate) and such orders to let nature take its course for terminally ill people, but GREED still seems to be at the root of this case.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Cat forgot that the greedy bastard husband stands to get several hundred grand when the lady finally passes. Am I wrong here?

He probably would have no interest any longer if no $$$$ were tied to the case. Let's not forget the cute little bimbo tied to his arm we've all seen in the press conferences.

I personally have no problem with DNR's (Do Not Resuscitate) and such orders to let nature take its course for terminally ill people, but GREED still seems to be at the root of this case.

I have no idea whether the husband will receive money or not, but that's irrelevant in my opinion. Where would the money come from? I know they won a malpractice case; is that the source? If so, I would say that he deserves the money. In any event, presumably the parents had a right to present evidence of this conflict of interest at trial and they lost. Who's to say what his true motivations are. I think it sucks to prevent him from moving on with his life just so that a vegetable is kept "alive" by a feeding tube.

[Little_Skittles]

Well we are judged..........lets leave it up to the high power the almighty.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Cat forgot that the greedy bastard husband stands to get several hundred grand when the lady finally passes. Am I wrong here?

He probably would have no interest any longer if no $$$$ were tied to the case. Let's not forget the cute little bimbo tied to his arm we've all seen in the press conferences.

I personally have no problem with DNR's (Do Not Resuscitate) and such orders to let nature take its course for terminally ill people, but GREED still seems to be at the root of this case.

Take a trip back through my initial post, I think you missed it because i covered this with facts.
it's on page one.

I'll tell you what i see in this thread and in society in general.
a lot of people making a lot of noise speaking of things they know little about.

No offense to anyone, but a drink of mind your own business would suffice, or at least if your going to have a firm opinion, learn the whole story and forget about how the media has spun it.
Why have guardians if the country and the government is going to steam roll your rights and responsibilities?

[DLR'sCock]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Terri Schiavo's cerebral cortex has disintigrated, therefore there is no more Terri Schiavo and there will not be a Terri Schiavo in the future.

The court has proven twice that evidence exists that she was against being kept alive all these years, it just was not in writing.
There is not a person on this planet who has ANY right to stand in the way of her husband doing what he feels he has to do in her best interest and according to her own wishes.
Her right to die has been denied thus far and that has to stop immediately.

What Congress has tried to do, and what has actually been done to this woman twice already is disgusting and offends me to the core of my being.
If you are a television watcher and all the info you have about this came from the news, you are very much drawn to the wrong conclusion and probably call her husband a murderer...That is an incorrect conclusion.
She must be allowed to die with dignity with no further medical intervention, anything less is a violation of her civil rights.

Washington has no damn business sticking their nose in this situation at all.
Place yourselves in Michael Schiavo's position and really think about it.
and then do some research on this case all the way back to 1990, then and only then should you make a judgement and even then, it's nobodies business but those personally involved.

Let her go and be with God where she belongs and will NOT be in a vegetative state.
Keeping her here any longer does nothing but serve a political agenda and the agendas of people who simply cannot let her go, that is selfish in my opinion.
The husband is the guardian, and he is the only one who has the right to make this decision, and i agree with him 110%.

Excellent post!

[UNCLAX72]

the only thing she has to live for is her family.
you can see when her parents enter the room and how shes fights herself so she can sit up for them and that she still has that little spark that doesn't make her as a complete vegetable
she can still put in the effort that she wants to live and what the fuck is with her husband?
He fights x number of years ago for a malpratice suit and to get a shit load of money to pay for her medical care and support and then he turns and wants her dead..................what a slimy fuck

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Take a trip back through my initial post, I think you missed it because i covered this with facts.
it's on page one.

I'll tell you what i see in this thread and in society in general.
a lot of people making a lot of noise speaking of things they know little about.

No offense to anyone, but a drink of mind your own business would suffice, or at least if your going to have a firm opinion, learn the whole story and forget about how the media has spun it.
Why have guardians if the country and the government is going to steam roll your rights and responsibilities?

My bad, BBB, I just reviewed my post and apparently my thoguths didn't make it to the keys.

Mr. Schiavo was offered $10 Million from an unknown source to hand guardianship over to her parents, but their plans were to have her limbs removed in order to avoid medical complications and just keep her body alive.
I call that sick and demented.

A week ago he was offered $1 Million from a guy, i forget his name, but he placed that million in an account and had Gloria Alred (Amber Fry's Attorney) over see the transaction if he would sign guardianship over to her parents.

Both offers were rejected by Mr. Schiavo.

The logic that a man would turn down Millions in order to get a few hundred thousand just doesn't make sense.

He would face much less scrutiny to take that money as opposed to removing the tube, he's already been labeled a murderer, right?

That shows me that he is fighting for something bigger than himself, and it should prove to everyone that he is standing up for her rights and wishes.

Would you cut your losses and take the money or would you fight for your wifes civil rights and what she told you to your face she wanted?

Would you want Congress sticking their nose in and telling you what you were going to do in that case?

I am my wifes guardian, and i find that to be intrusive and a violation of my right's and responsibilites that i accepted the day i married her.
And i would trade places with her in a heartbeat, and i would want her to make the same decision for me if i couldn't.

Today is the day i say FUCK the government and every damn thing they stand for because this shit they are doing by backing the parents who by law have no right's where she is concerned, it's fucking wrong and they all should be sent packing.

I'd rather be dead than to have people say that being in Terri's condition is living, it most certainly is not living.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Kinda like that "mass of tissue" in a woman's body prior to birth, huh?

Even the ardent supporters of abortion rights know that a fetus has the potential to become sentient. Terry Schiavo's brain capacity is basically nothing more than a basic autonomic response system! Her parents need to let go and to stop pretending in their little selfish world that someday she'll improve. Her soul is trapped in a stasis, if that is not hell, I don't know what is!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by ELVIS
That's totally false...

Really?? Did they teach you in nursing school that the brain could regenerate itself?? I doubt it!

[Satan]

Originally posted by UNCLAX72
the only thing she has to live for is her family.
you can see when her parents enter the room and how shes fights herself so she can sit up for them and that she still has that little spark that doesn't make her as a complete vegetable

And you know this how, exactly?

Because FAUX News and that fucking moronic shithead Sean Hannity said so?

Like FORD said, manadatory IQ tests.....

[Satan]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Even the ardent supporters of abortion rights know that a fetus has the potential to become sentient. Terry Schiavo's brain capacity is basically nothing more than a basic autonomic response system! Her parents need to let go and to stop pretending in their little selfish world that someday she'll improve. Her soul is trapped in a stasis, if that is not hell, I don't know what is!

I can’t remember anything
Can’t tell if this is true or dream
Deep down inside I feel to scream
This terrible silence stops me

Now that the war is through with me
I’m waking up I can not see
That there is not much left of me
Nothing is real but pain now

Hold my breath as I wish for death
Oh please god,wake me

Back in the womb it’s much too real
In pumps life that I must feel
But can’t look forward to reveal
Look to the time when I’ll live

Fed through the tube that sticks in me
Just like a wartime novelty
Tied to machines that make me be
Cut this life off from me

Hold my breath as I wish for death
Oh please god,wake me
Now the world is gone I’m just one
Oh god,help me hold my breath as I wish for death
Oh please God help me

Darkness imprisoning me
All that I see
Absolute horror
I cannot live
I cannot die
Trapped in myself
Body my holding cell

Landmine has taken my sight
Taken my speech
Taken my hearing
Taken my arms
Taken my legs
Taken my soul
Left me with life in hell

[Cathedral]

Y'all better make damn sure you have a will, or Big Brother will make you suffer for it.
And i'd like to see this bill cause i bet there are loop holes that will give them an edge over a that will also.

This isn't about Terri Schiavo anymore, it's about the freedom to choose whats best for your family, or should i say "robbing" america of that freedom.
Oh the bleeding hearts can scream now, they can lob insults and mis-characterizations at the womans husband, but wait until it's their turn to die, ya better follow the rules or your fucked.

By the way, there is no money left from the malpractice suit, so Michael Schiavo won't get a dime when she dies.

I feel for the man, cause the people have basically crucified him and stomped all over his right's.
But as Tom Delay said right out in the open "I don't care what the husband thinks".
That mother fucker needs to be recalled and sent the fuck home.
And if they stick that tube back into that woman........I hope they all rot in hell.

I'm telling you all, write a damn will or your loved ones will have a battle on their hands, and pray this bill doesn't pass unless you are sure of what it says.
Michael Schiavo already knows what it says, Tom Delay told him what it says.

Pardon me, but i am more than pissed off at what is happening here.

[Nickdfresh]

How many kids that lack health insurance could the money, that is used to keep her on life support, help or even save?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Satan
I can�t remember anything
Can�t tell if this is true or dream
Deep down inside I feel to scream
This terrible silence stops me

Now that the war is through with me
I�m waking up I can not see
That there is not much left of me
Nothing is real but pain now

Hold my breath as I wish for death
Oh please god,wake me

Back in the womb it�s much too real
In pumps life that I must feel
But can�t look forward to reveal
Look to the time when I�ll live

Fed through the tube that sticks in me
Just like a wartime novelty
Tied to machines that make me be
Cut this life off from me

Hold my breath as I wish for death
Oh please god,wake me
Now the world is gone I�m just one
Oh god,help me hold my breath as I wish for death
Oh please God help me

Darkness imprisoning me
All that I see
Absolute horror
I cannot live
I cannot die
Trapped in myself
Body my holding cell

Landmine has taken my sight
Taken my speech
Taken my hearing
Taken my arms
Taken my legs
Taken my soul
Left me with life in hell

That song always very much upsets me. Being trapped in a prison of a blind and deaf torso? Oh God please kill me indeed!