Terry Schiavo

[academic punk]

Well...it made it to about 600 posts until this thread turned to shit. that's far better than normal.

[Guitar Shark]

Lounge, you're better off just ignoring him... he's just feeding off your replies.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Lounge, you're better off just ignoring him... he's just feeding off your replies.

You're right.

as usual.


A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Apologies to a/p as well.

[Dr. Love]

This thread may have to find a new home.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Jesterstar
If you were Terry Sheivo .

He could at LEAST bother to learn the name.

It's been in a few papers

[academic punk]

Back to Jesse Jackson: I think it's politically astute.

He is the democrats face for evangelicals. He is the dem to say, "We see and hear you."

If they only left a void, the dems would lose any standing with these people. Let's see how it plays out...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by academic punk
Back to Jesse Jackson: I think it's politically astute.

NO, IT'S NOT

He is the democrats face for evangelicals. He is the dem to say, "We see and hear you."

SCARY THOUGHT

If they only left a void, the dems would lose any standing with these people. Let's see how it plays out...

WHO WANTS/NEEDS STANDING WITH THESE PEOPLE?

[Jesterstar]

Weather you like it or not or agree or disagree with the right to lifers they are americans. America is a Melting pot. That's a highly ignorant stance just because someone's ethical veiws differ from yours/

[academic punk]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine

i in 3 votes for Bush in this last election came from evangelicals. Their votes are critical for any9one running for office.

Such is life. Politcis make strabge bedfellows indeed.

[Jesterstar]

Not just that but they are also people. America is very diverse. I think we all need to learn to work together.

[Guitar Shark]

March 29, 2005
OP-ED COLUMNIST
What's Going On?
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Democratic societies have a hard time dealing with extremists in their midst. The desire to show respect for other people's beliefs all too easily turns into denial: nobody wants to talk about the threat posed by those whose beliefs include contempt for democracy itself.

We can see this failing clearly in other countries. In the Netherlands, for example, a culture of tolerance led the nation to ignore the growing influence of Islamic extremists until they turned murderous.

But it's also true of the United States, where dangerous extremists belong to the majority religion and the majority ethnic group, and wield great political influence.

Before he saw the polls, Tom DeLay declared that "one thing that God has brought to us is Terri Schiavo, to help elevate the visibility of what is going on in America." Now he and his party, shocked by the public's negative reaction to their meddling, want to move on. But we shouldn't let them. The Schiavo case is, indeed, a chance to highlight what's going on in America.

One thing that's going on is a climate of fear for those who try to enforce laws that religious extremists oppose. Randall Terry, a spokesman for Terri Schiavo's parents, hasn't killed anyone, but one of his former close associates in the anti-abortion movement is serving time for murdering a doctor. George Greer, the judge in the Schiavo case, needs armed bodyguards.

Another thing that's going on is the rise of politicians willing to violate the spirit of the law, if not yet the letter, to cater to the religious right.

Everyone knows about the attempt to circumvent the courts through "Terri's law." But there has been little national exposure for a Miami Herald report that Jeb Bush sent state law enforcement agents to seize Terri Schiavo from the hospice - a plan called off when local police said they would enforce the judge's order that she remain there.

And the future seems all too likely to bring more intimidation in the name of God and more political intervention that undermines the rule of law.

The religious right is already having a big impact on education: 31 percent of teachers surveyed by the National Science Teachers Association feel pressured to present creationism-related material in the classroom.

But medical care is the cutting edge of extremism.

Yesterday The Washington Post reported on the growing number of pharmacists who, on religious grounds, refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control or morning-after pills. These pharmacists talk of personal belief; but the effect is to undermine laws that make these drugs available. And let me make a prediction: soon, wherever the religious right is strong, many pharmacists will be pressured into denying women legal drugs.

And it won't stop there. There is a nationwide trend toward "conscience" or "refusal" legislation. Laws in Illinois and Mississippi already allow doctors and other health providers to deny virtually any procedure to any patient. Again, think of how such laws expose doctors to pressure and intimidation.

But the big step by extremists will be an attempt to eliminate the filibuster, so that the courts can be packed with judges less committed to upholding the law than Mr. Greer.

We can't count on restraint from people like Mr. DeLay, who believes that he's on a mission to bring a "biblical worldview" to American politics, and that God brought him a brain-damaged patient to help him with that mission.

What we need - and we aren't seeing - is a firm stand by moderates against religious extremism. Some people ask, with justification, Where are the Democrats? But an even better question is, Where are the doctors fiercely defending their professional integrity? I think the American Medical Association disapproves of politicians who second-guess medical diagnoses based on video images - but the association's statement on the Schiavo case is so timid that it's hard to be sure.

The closest parallel I can think of to current American politics is Israel. There was a time, not that long ago, when moderate Israelis downplayed the rise of religious extremists. But no more: extremists have already killed one prime minister, and everyone realizes that Ariel Sharon is at risk.

America isn't yet a place where liberal politicians, and even conservatives who aren't sufficiently hard-line, fear assassination. But unless moderates take a stand against the growing power of domestic extremists, it can happen here.

E-mail: krugman@nytimes.com

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Jesterstar
I'll make the call. I ain't going to tell you when. Next thing you know your gone. FOREVER. Your preceious little dream world where your not a fat loser will be gone banned by IP.

Keep your shit out of this thread. I'll report your posts I fucking sware it. Or at least have Ford lock it so you can't ruine the good dialog going on in here. Try being a man for once instead of a Fat spoiled little boy.

Um, you got a red phone too?

hitch is a great mascot here, but he has no power to ban anyone, no more than i have.

Normally i wouldn't get involved with flame wars, but you are making threats that you have absolutely no pull to, um, er, a, pull off.

Ford can speak for himself, but i'd venture a guess that you are on your own in this battle of the text and his only concern will be getting this thread back on topic.
But again, I'm not speaking for Ford, just stating my own humbled opinion.

That said, Why is Jesse Jackson even involved here?
Oh, i see, it's been awhile since he had any free TV time.

Honestly, he needs to go back home and leave the family to its personal business.
This isn't between anyone but Michael, Terri, and God at this point.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by academic punk
i in 3 votes for Bush in this last election came from evangelicals. Their votes are critical for any9one running for office.

Such is life. Politcis make strabge bedfellows indeed.

That's a scary reality too, bro.
Religious Extremists are not of Christ when they wave a flag and cheer on war that kills people.

Sorry, but just because the Bible speaks of wars doesn't mean we are to support it in any fashion.
Maybe that is why so many remain silent in elections. they either know better, or are afraid of maing the wrong choice in their hearts.

I wish i had remained silent with my last two votes actually.

Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.

[BigBadBrian]

Keep it going CourtJesterMoron.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Keep it going CourtJesterMoron.

Posts like this are going to get you both OWNED and banned, B3:D