Terry Schiavo

[academic punk]

Yeah...I'd liek to see him do the same...

that way he'd be arrested for kidnapping and reckless endangerment!

[academic punk]

Yeah...I'd like to see him do the same...

that way he'd be arrested for kidnapping and reckless endangerment!

[academic punk]

oops

[Warham]

Endangerment? Of who? Terri? I thought she was dead already, according to the libs.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Endangerment? Of who? Terri? I thought she was dead already, according to the libs.

Endangerment of the rule of law,and public opinion, which you so typically scoff at.

BTW, I hope he does it too!

[Warham]

Public opinion doesn't mean much to me.

Public opinion in the Netherlands suggests that mercy killings are OK.

I don't agree.

[Cathedral]

One thing that troubles me about all of this though.
What was the big deal in allowing her to be examined again?

The issue was beaten into the ground that her Cat Scans were 15 years old, so what was stopping any of these Federal Judges from at least ordering a Medical Evaluation of Terri?

I mean, would it hurt to at least be sure of her condition before she is allowed to die?

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Cathedral
One thing that troubles me about all of this though.
What was the big deal in allowing her to be examined again?

The issue was beaten into the ground that her Cat Scans were 15 years old, so what was stopping any of these Federal Judges from at least ordering a Medical Evaluation of Terri?

I mean, would it hurt to at least be sure of her condition before she is allowed to die?

I think - THINK - that...

that I have to take this conference call...

[tomballin]

ummmmm

[FORD]

Originally posted by Cathedral
One thing that troubles me about all of this though.
What was the big deal in allowing her to be examined again?

The issue was beaten into the ground that her Cat Scans were 15 years old, so what was stopping any of these Federal Judges from at least ordering a Medical Evaluation of Terri?

I mean, would it hurt to at least be sure of her condition before she is allowed to die?

I don't believe the brain scan I posted was 15 years old. I'm not sure of the exact date of it, but it's doubtful that her brain would have turned to a sack of spinal fluid immediately after her fatal heart attack. Though most of her brain was probably dead then, it took years to physically degenerate to that point. But what is certain is that her condition is final. Brains don't grow back. And it seems this is the fact that the hysterical right wingers who are holding vigils for the poor woman are NOT being told, or simply can't understand.

[Warham]

No, they know she'll always be like this. They just don't feel her due process has been fulfilled.

It's not about a miracle happening. It's about whether they can put a woman to death based on one thing, if she really wanted to die if put in this situation, her medical situation notwithstanding. They don't put PVS people to death just because they are in that condition.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
No, they know she'll always be like this. They just don't feel her due process has been fulfilled.

It's not about a miracle happening. It's about whether they can put a woman to death based on one thing, if she really wanted to die if put in this situation, her medical situation notwithstanding. They don't put PVS people to death just because they are in that condition.

Due process? This thing has been drawn out an every possible legal technicality possible!

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Warham
No, they know she'll always be like this. They just don't feel her due process has been fulfilled.

It's not about a miracle happening. It's about whether they can put a woman to death based on one thing, if she really wanted to die if put in this situation, her medical situation notwithstanding. They don't put PVS people to death just because they are in that condition.

What has gone on is nothing more than venue shopping. Get turned down here, we'll just go there, and so on and so on.

But since all these extreme and unconstitutional steps have been taken to get it in the federal courts, i would have expected a Judge to at least order an examination for the record, what could it have hurt?

I find some comfort that the legal guardianship hasn't been allowed to be trampled on though.
Thing is, this mess will never make sense to everyone but it sends a strong message to get a living will if you want your family to avoid the same issues possibley engulfing your family.

Oh, and being as I have personally been responsible for two nurses being fired in my wifes case. It wouldn't be very hard for them to pop up later and tell all kinds of lies and get some free publicity for that new book they are planning to write.

Anyone who has ever had a loved one in a home knows how difficult it is to get consistantly good care and the guardian has to stay on top of that.
Some residents don't have an advocate at all to look out for them.
But i challenge everyone to spend some time in one and learn first hand just how life is for someone in Terri's case.
If her parents were to take her home i would almost guarentee that within months her physical condition would deteriorate.
It's not as easy as they or anyone thinks it will be.

There is so much involved with this that isn't even being discussed i find it to be pathetic.

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Due process? This thing has been drawn out an every possible legal technicality possible!

As long as they are still in court, it's not finished.

[Warham]

Originally posted by Cathedral
What has gone on is nothing more than venue shopping. Get turned down here, we'll just go there, and so on and so on.

But since all these extreme and unconstitutional steps have been taken to get it in the federal courts, i would have expected a Judge to at least order an examination for the record, what could it have hurt?

I find some comfort that the legal guardianship hasn't been allowed to be trampled on though.
Thing is, this mess will never make sense to everyone but it sends a strong message to get a living will if you want your family to avoid the same issues possibley engulfing your family.

Oh, and being as I have personally been responsible for two nurses being fired in my wifes case. It wouldn't be very hard for them to pop up later and tell all kinds of lies and get some free publicity for that new book they are planning to write.

Anyone who has ever had a loved one in a home knows how difficult it is to get consistantly good care and the guardian has to stay on top of that.
Some residents don't have an advocate at all to look out for them.
But i challenge everyone to spend some time in one and learn first hand just how life is for someone in Terri's case.
If her parents were to take her home i would almost guarentee that within months her physical condition would deteriorate.
It's not as easy as they or anyone thinks it will be.

There is so much involved with this that isn't even being discussed i find it to be pathetic.

I don't find the step by Congress as unconstitutional at all. All the Congress did was ask for a Federal review of the case, nothing more. They didn't force the tube back in, didn't force her to be taken out of his custody. The only thing Bush signed into law was that her case, being full of conflicting evidence, be reviewed by a federal court. It's fully justified, but would not happen in 99.9% of PVS cases.