Yaay!! Now You 30-Something Neo Con's Can Join The War on Terror!

[academic punk]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Indeed. My prayers and a salute to your Dad.

From me as well.

As much as we disagree, we all owe people like your dad for helping defend a country where we can voice our disagreements, as loudly as we like.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
If you voted, you weren't disenfranchised.

What do you mean? Voters are't disenfranchised?

And my thanks, prayers, and gratitude to your father for serving his country. Unfortunately, I don't believe his country adequately served him.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
What do you mean?

The only people that are disenfranchised are those that weren't permitted to vote by illegal means. Just because you don't like the results or other voters were disenfranchised doesn't mean you were disenfranchised.

[Warham]

Amen, Bri.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
The only people that are disenfranchised are those that weren't permitted to vote by illegal means. Just because you don't like the results or other voters were disenfranchised doesn't mean you were disenfranchised.

But you can vote and still feel alienation, which is disenfranchisement.

[Warham]

I felt disenfranchisement when Clinton was President.

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Warham
I felt disenfranchisement when Clinton was President.

That might have just been gas.

[Big Train]

Originally posted by The Scatologist
Sorry for being off topic, but this needs to be said

WELL WTF DID YOU EXPECT BIG TRAIN? You morons always market to the people who don't even KNOW what music is! You think they would spend 15 fucking bucks on a CD when they don't even know what music is? Hell know, casual music fans would just dl shitty music cause it's worthless anyway. Why pay $15 for shit when you can get it free? Personally, though, I would not even download CRAP.


OH WOW! I think i'll sell watered down pop music and shitty hip hop to that kid who'll pretend to be all into it so he can act cool!

OH YEAH WOW! Like he's gonna actually BUY it if he doesn't even really care about music.


Wanna know what the real problem is? It's YOU. You give unfair advantages to SHITTY bands, hell, why do you people even do this anyway? Why can't you just promote REAL fucking bands like Led Zep and Classic Van Halen? Why do you think they're still fucking selling CDs today?


Hell, look at YOU! You're on a fucking David Lee Roth message board. Doesn't that tell you something? Like HMMMM maybe something like, HEY! DAVE KICKS ASS! We need more artists like CVH and DAVE! YOU KNOW! REAL BANDS!

Do you SERIOUSLY fucking see people buying SIMPLE PLAN Cds 10 years from now?

If you're that fucking STUPID, you deserve to go bankrupt so we can have the REAL bands out on top again.

Off Topic and no logic..your typical Knucklehead/Scat post.

I deserve to go bankrupt? Excuse me, but apply suction to my gential area son. Fucking educate yourself (I know your making the attempt).

We market music to those who we think will buy it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Not liking it and not buying it are one thing. Liking it and stealing it are another thing entirely.

Where are these magical bands you speak of? We don't sign everyone, just the ones we think will work. There are megatons of indies and vanity labels out there, why aren't they signing these magical bands that will sprinkle pixie dust on the problem.

As for your pricing/nothing good angle, I'd invite you to try out a service like ITunes/Rhapsody or any number of other services, where you can sample the song and PURCHASE ONLY WHAT YOU LIKE. Or if you feel a gamble, go to Wal-Mart/BestBuy/Circuit City etc.. and buy for under 10 bucks (new Mars Volta was 4.99 last week). How much fucking easier can it get?

Again, 3 Motherfucking BILLION downloads a month. Name me another industry where 3 billions units of product are stolen a month. I defy you.

On to the topic,

Adj.
1.
disenfranchised - deprived of the rights of citizenship especially the right to vote
_
Antonyms: enfranchised - endowed with the rights of citizenship especially the right to vote

Synonyms: disfranchised, voteless

Voting means you are NOT disenfranchised.

[Nickdfresh]

Though you are correct in a strict definition, the word has a wider meaning:

Main Entry: dis·fran·chise

Function: transitive verb
: to deprive of a franchise, of a legal right, or of some privilege or immunity; especially : to deprive of the right to vote

An example would be that blue states receive less federal Homland Security funding than midwestern red states.

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Big Train
Off Topic and no logic..your typical Knucklehead/Scat post.

I deserve to go bankrupt? Excuse me, but apply suction to my gential area son. Fucking educate yourself (I know your making the attempt).

We market music to those who we think will buy it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Not liking it and not buying it are one thing. Liking it and stealing it are another thing entirely.

Where are these magical bands you speak of? We don't sign everyone, just the ones we think will work. There are megatons of indies and vanity labels out there, why aren't they signing these magical bands that will sprinkle pixie dust on the problem.

all good points, but let's get this into a seperate thread, what say?

I'd like to add my two cents (or steal two or BT's)(JOKE!!), but not here...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by academic punk
all good points, but let's get this into a seperate thread, what say?

I'd like to add my two cents (or steal two or BT's)(JOKE!!), but not here...

IT IS!

http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13620

[DLR'sCock]

I am for downloading to sample music and look for the rare hard to find shit. At the same time, artists that I dig, and want to support, I will go out and buy their CD. If you support an artist, buy their album to support them.

The music industry, and I mean the BIG SHIT, the big 3 or 4, and Clear Channel and Viacom, have mostly promoted and dumped their millions in promotions into shit. The last major movement of Music as Art to the masses of people through the MAJORS was druing the late 80' up through the early 90's to maybe 95 or 96...


At the same time, I have no sympathy for the music industry at all...fuck em'(and I worked in it for a short time, and have many friends in it, or who were in it as well)....they have been raping the artists for decades, making 90% of the profits for merely acting as a credit card...yeah monopoly and power get abused because it is human nature to be a greedy talentless shit head....





Also, I just want to get back on topic, if you want the US killing Iraqis and Middle Easterners just so you get your way, then sign the fuck up, shut the fuck up, and take a chance at getting shot at yourself...




I have read the endless excuses....and I am not surprised at all, in fact it is so rare when I am here....

[Nickdfresh]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! THIS IS NOT THE MUSIC FORUM! POST ALL DOWNLOADING COMMENTS IN THIS THREAD PLEASE:

http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13620

[The Scatologist]

Ah, but Nick, the current state of Big Train's career is like a mirror into the future about his views of Iraq.


Don't you feel that Big Train's extremely myopic eyesight affects his views on Iraq as well as the music industry?

In other words, Iraq = bad idea. Everything the music industry has been doing, = bad idea.


Oh, and Big Train, I already stated that I have over 200 Cds, and out of those only like 4 were from the last 15 years. So STFU your point is moot.

[Warham]

That's just your buying habits, not everybody's. Some people like that watered-down wretchedly produced music that's out there right now.

His points are valid.