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  • Ally_Kat
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Jan 2004
    • 7612

    Donald Trump offers to rebuild World Trade Center twin towers

    Donald Trump offers to rebuild World Trade Center twin towers



    New York property tycoon Donald Trump unveiled his design for "bigger, stronger and better" twin towers to replace the World Trade Center originals destroyed on September 11, 2001.

    Denouncing the existing plans for rebuilding Ground Zero as the "worst pile of crap architecture I've ever seen," Trump argued that erecting two new, even taller twin towers was the only valid response to the terrorists.

    The consummate self-promoter, known as "The Donald," showed off his proposal just weeks after the official master design was put on hold because of security concerns surrounding the centerpiece 1,776 foot Freedom Tower.

    Describing the Freedom Tower as an "empty skeleton," Trump said its construction would be a capitulation.

    "If we rebuild the World Trade Center in the form of a skeleton ... the terrorists win. It's that bad," he told reporters gathered in the lobby of his Fifth Avenue Trump Towers headquarters in Manhattan.

    The design put forward by Trump and his structural engineer Kenneth Gardner, essentially offers a modified version of the original twin towers, erected in the early 1970s.

    The replacements would be at least 1,475-feet (449.6 m) tall, more than 100 feet (30.1 m) higher than their previous incarnations. The new North Tower would also boast a 383-foot (116.7 m) communications mast.

    "It's bigger, it's stronger and it's better than the previous World Trade Center, and it sets the right tone and the right attitude," Trump said, adding that some members of the public who had seen the model had been moved to tears.

    Charles Wolf, whose wife was killed in the North Tower, was more circumspect in his appraisal of the model.

    "It spooked me when I first saw it ... the idea of the towers rising again," Wolf said.

    "I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it's an interesting idea," he added.

    The Trump-backed towers -- he promised not to attach his name to the buildings -- would employ a tube-within-a-tube design with improved fireproofing and larger stairwells.

    Gardner said the structures would be able to withstand the kind of attacks that brought down the original towers on September 11, 2001 killing 2,479 people.

    Ground Zero master planner Daniel Libeskind, branded an "egghead" by Trump over the design of the Freedom Tower, fired off a letter to the property tycoon this week, pointing out that he was not responsible for the building's problems.

    The Polish-born architect stressed that the footprint and twisting shape of the tower were the work of David Childs, who was hired by Ground Zero developer Larry Silverstein to modify Libeskind's vision.

    "I am sure that all of us, whatever the shape of our head or its decorative accessory agree that security is the paramount concern for the new tower," Libeskind wrote in a thinly-veiled dig at Trump's distinctive hairstyle.

    In a report published in April, the New York Police Department voiced concerns that the planned location of the Freedom Tower was too close to Manhattan's Westside Highway.

    A subsequent meeting between New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, Governor George Pataki and police officials concluded that a new design was required.

    "They should throw it all away," was Trump's assessment of the design rethink.

    "This is what people want," he said of his own proposal. "It's a better memorial. It's a greater building. This is what the World Trade Center was."

    The Freedom Tower was originally scheduled to be topped out at the end of 2008 or the beginning of 2009.

    The design of the tower, and indeed that of the entire Ground Zero redevelopment project, has been the source of bitter dispute -- between the architects involved and also the often competing interests of the victims' families, the developers and the politicians.

    The tensions have arisen from the different priorities attached to the project, with some seeing a site of remembrance, others a future place of work and still more a symbol of rebirth.
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  • Ally_Kat
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Jan 2004
    • 7612

    #2

    Denouncing the existing plans for rebuilding Ground Zero as the "worst pile of crap architecture I've ever seen," Trump argued that erecting two new, even taller twin towers was the only valid response to the terrorists.

    ...

    "They should throw it all away," was Trump's assessment of the design rethink.

    "This is what people want," he said of his own proposal. "It's a better memorial. It's a greater building. This is what the World Trade Center was."

    Haha - classic! Same thing I would have done and said.
    Roth Army Militia

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 59552

      #3
      Are they going to paint a big bullseye on them this time?

      This is stupid. Building ANY ridiculously tall building on that site is stupid.

      Who the Hell is going to rent space on the 80th floor of that building?

      Maybe they could put some affordable housing in there instead? Something that might benefit people a little more than half empty skyscrapers that are painful reminders of the BCE's greatest crime.
      Eat Us And Smile

      Cenk For America 2024!!

      Justice Democrats


      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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      • steve
        Sniper
        • Feb 2004
        • 841

        #4
        Trump's a tool.
        Libeskind's design is asthetically beautiful, provides a wonderful tribute to the heros of 911 thorough thoughtful design, and leaves the footprints of the towers as memorial parks for the dead.

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        • Seshmeister
          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

          • Oct 2003
          • 35748

          #5
          Is he going to put a ridiculous huge fake furry animal on the top?

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          • lucky wilbury

            #6
            i find it intersting most people in nyc want the towers back and people outside don't want it back.

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            • steve
              Sniper
              • Feb 2004
              • 841

              #7
              Originally posted by lucky wilbury
              i find it intersting most people in nyc want the towers back and people outside don't want it back.
              Wilbury Polling Agency.
              Established 2005
              Disbanded 2005
              Total Polls taken: 0
              Total Polls quoted: 1

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              • lucky wilbury

                #8
                Originally posted by steve
                Wilbury Polling Agency.
                Established 2005
                Disbanded 2005
                Total Polls taken: 0
                Total Polls quoted: 1
                well lets see i'm for the towers being rebuilt and so is ally both from nyc those againest are ford, sesh and yourself all not from the city. if you've been reading any of the papers in the city you would know that there has been a call to rebuild them but if you want polls:

                Shuster did a poll on the MSNBC Web site: 80 percent of the 3,483 respondents voted to rebuild the Twin Towers.

                and there has been a building chorus of opeds and articles wanting the towers being rebuilt.

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                • steve
                  Sniper
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 841

                  #9
                  A poll on David Shuster's blog - and the only folks reading it were ones that already agreed with him.

                  It would be sort of like posting a poll on this site regarding DLR.

                  When all the proposals were put forth, I remember reading many opinion columns of New Yorkers against all of the different proposals that mimicked the Twin Towers.
                  Tons of polls were posted on various web sites at the time of the design competition and the Libeskind proposal was the runaway winner.

                  This NYer elistist crap is tired.
                  Oh yeah, and Donald Trump is a retard.



                  On a more serious note, perhaps folks are changing their minds now - but for Donald Trump to get up there in his tacky-ass solid gold apartment and Daniel Boone haircut and slam the Libeskind design - which, if one read about was tirelessly thought out to specifically pay tribute to the firefighters, the fallen, ...just every thing Architecturally - was really insulting.

                  Just because he wants to bring back the Twin Towers, there is no reason to be totally ignorant about the other proposal:

                  Last edited by steve; 05-19-2005, 12:40 AM.

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                  • LoungeMachine
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 32576

                    #10
                    This is no different then when he threw his rug in the ring for prez....

                    He's a publicity WHORE
                    Originally posted by Kristy
                    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
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                    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                    • 4moreyears
                      Commando
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 1245

                      #11
                      I think "The Donald" is a total tool. But I do agree with him, I think his solution for the space for ground zero is much better than the current design. I think making a statement that America is back with larger World Trade Towers II would send a message that we have rebuilt it and are not afraid of the scumbag piece of shits that destroyed the first towers. The skyline of NYC is one of the most recgonized international landmarks in the world. Building something that is unattractive will impact the look of the skyline. Even though Donald is a total asshole he knows Real Estate better than almost anyone.

                      JH

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                      • lucky wilbury

                        #12
                        Originally posted by steve
                        A poll on David Shuster's blog - and the only folks reading it were ones that already agreed with him.

                        It would be sort of like posting a poll on this site regarding DLR.

                        When all the proposals were put forth, I remember reading many opinion columns of New Yorkers against all of the different proposals that mimicked the Twin Towers.
                        Tons of polls were posted on various web sites at the time of the design competition and the Libeskind proposal was the runaway winner.

                        This NYer elistist crap is tired.
                        Oh yeah, and Donald Trump is a retard.



                        On a more serious note, perhaps folks are changing their minds now - but for Donald Trump to get up there in his tacky-ass solid gold apartment and Daniel Boone haircut and slam the Libeskind design - which, if one read about was tirelessly thought out to specifically pay tribute to the firefighters, the fallen, ...just every thing Architecturally - was really insulting.

                        Just because he wants to bring back the Twin Towers, there is no reason to be totally ignorant about the other proposal:


                        i've never like the other design. i was using me and ally as examples of nyc'ers that want the towers back. the design is so out of place it's not funny. the majority of if isn't even a building its just scafolding. but if you want other polls:

                        Over a year after Apple announced the iAd advertising format that was supposed to revolutionize mobi 欧冠统计数据


                        check out the ny 1 poll on the finalists where 64% don't like the designs or vote.com where 70% want the towers rebuilt

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                        • Ally_Kat
                          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 7612

                          #13
                          Originally posted by steve


                          When all the proposals were put forth, I remember reading many opinion columns of New Yorkers against all of the different proposals that mimicked the Twin Towers.
                          Tons of polls were posted on various web sites at the time of the design competition and the Libeskind proposal was the runaway winner.
                          Funny. All the Op-Ed columns I read were NYers bitching how the plans sucked and how we were going to continually lose jobs as they all went into Jersey seeing how an HUGE business complex was destroyed. The plans picked were the best of the worst.

                          And tons of polls were taken for people who actually live in NYC and guess what, we hate it.

                          Originally posted by steve

                          This NYer elistist crap is tired.
                          I'm sorry. Are you losing millions of dollars each day you would have gotten from sales tax and businesses because all the companies in DownTown left to Jersey because there were no more towers to hosue them? Did you lose your job because your building isn't there anymore or because your company was situated in the area which is now a death trap for business?


                          I know it was a national event and all, but I'm tired of out-of-staters telling us what's good for New Yorkers and then calling us elitest when we say we don't like something cuz it fucks us over.


                          We rebuilt the White House after the British burnt it to the ground. We rebuilt the Pentagon. The Towers were as well known.
                          Roth Army Militia

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                          • Nitro Express
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 32942

                            #14
                            Donald Trump is good at looking "Bigger and Better" with other peoples money. The Donald has always been a poor investment and has never made money for any of his investors. He will go broke again because he is alway highly leveraged and has nothing to carry him through the slow times. Trump simply borrows so much money that he becomes a partners with the financial institutions who were dazzled by his bullshit. The Donald is all smoke and mirrors but he's good at exploiting his image for all it's worth. He's the posterboy for bullshit artist.

                            Trump often forgets these "Bigger and Better" projects need to be profitable. Something his "Best Casino Ever" Taj Mahal didn't do. In the OO's, sky scrapers are profitable up to 80 stories. Past that and you hit diminishing returns. Also upper stories sway in the wind more and make the people who work in them uncomfortable. Also, who is going to rent space in something that looks like the original towers? It would only remind people of the tragedy of 911.

                            No a new design is the way to go and the Freedom Tower will be world class in it's own right. The so called empty skelleton is full of asthetically pleasing wind mills and the building will actually have the capability of generating it's own electricity. The shape of the building will compliment the surrounding skyline and tie in with the statue of liberty and Brooklyn bridge.

                            The World Trade Center was a massive 1960's design. To be honest, I never thought they were that asthetically pleasing.

                            I think the Freedom Tower is a good compromise. It's a modern design that serves the function of rentable space, a memorial, and also a symbol of moving on from Sept. 11.

                            A lot of high tech thought has gone into the towers design to where it will reflect light a certain way, in certain conditions. The electricity generating windmills from a distance will give the building a unique effect of being dynamic instead of just a dead box in the air.

                            Trump just wants to use other people's money to build 25 more stories of unprofitable space. At least the Freedom Tower uses this space to generate something profitable and also look asthetic as well. It's a brilliant design in many ways.
                            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                            • Nitro Express
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 32942

                              #15
                              I thought the Vietnam Memorial was going to be a huge pooch screw. All those people killed and we honor them with some stupid black wall. I hated everything about it.

                              Man was I wrong. The Vietnam Memorial was well thought out and serves it's purpose better than something gaudy and more traditional.

                              Most people in Paris hated the Eiffle Tower when it was built. So we will see.
                              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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