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[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by academic punk
Amazing, isn't it?

i don't need da spa t2oday..

[Warham]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
50 000 died in Africa today from poverty.

All I said was terrorism was more important than global warming. Poverty wasn't in my statement anywhere.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Warham
All I said was terrorism was more important than global warming. Poverty wasn't in my statement anywhere.

But global warming changes weather systems, which lead to droughts, which cause famine and poverty.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by FORD
But global warming changes weather systems, which lead to droughts, which cause famine and poverty.

That's way too far down the logic chain for most neocons FORD.

[Nickdfresh]

Death Toll At 49

Hunt for missing as London toll rises
Police taking claim seriously, say more attacks possible

Friday, July 8, 2005; Posted: 2:05 p.m. EDT (18:05 GMT)


Julie Larcombe holds flier of friend Martine Wright, who she thinks was caught in one of the blasts.

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Friends and relatives were in a desperate hunt for missing loved ones as police raised the confirmed death toll from London's terrorist bombings to 49 and said more bodies had yet to be recovered.

As a massive manhunt got under way, police said Friday the bombings had "all the hallmarks of al Qaeda" and warned that additional attacks were possible.

Thirteen people were killed when a bomb exploded on a double-decker bus in central London, Metropolitan Police Commissioner Ian Blair said.

But one train in a deep London Underground line "still contains a number of bodies that have not been retrieved," Blair told reporters.

Blair said more than 50 people were killed and 700 injured in four attacks Thursday on London's transport system -- the bloodiest assault on the British capital since World War II.

He said the final death toll would rise, but not above 100.

While all the bodies from the bus explosion have been recovered, police were having "great difficulty" determining the exact number of deaths because of damage near one of three blasts that hit the London Underground.

Police haven't gotten near one of the bombed train carriages because of fears about the stability of the tunnel, "vermin and other dangerous substances," Deputy Police Commissioner Andy Hayman said.

Police have confirmed that 21 people died in that blast between the King's Cross and Russell Square stations on the Piccadilly Line, and that no victims were still alive in the Underground system.

Seven people died at each of the other two Underground bombings, which occurred near the Edgware Road and Liverpool Street stations, and one person died in hospital.

Meanwhile, relatives and friends of people missing since the attacks feared the worst after hearing nothing from their loved ones for more than 24 hours.

Missing persons posters were going up around London and being handed out in a frantic hunt for information, the UK's Press Association reported.

Among the missing was Jamie Gordon, a 30-year-old worker in London's financial district, his girlfriend Yvonne Nash told PA.

Nash said she feared Gordon was on the No. 30 bus that was destroyed, and his colleagues have been searching the streets of London and putting up posters of him.

"We just don't know where he is and we are just desperate to find out. We are just trying to keep going. Is he dead? Is he alive? Not knowing is dreadful," she told PA.

Also missing is Laura Webb, 29, who would have been taking a train from King's Cross to Paddington, her boyfriend Chris Driver said.

"I just hope she may have knocked her head or something like that, and that she is somewhere being looked after," Driver told PA.

"We are very upset about her disappearance, and all the options go through your mind," Webb's brother David said.
'Implacable resolve'

Police commissioner Blair pledged that authorities would "bend every sinew" to find and prosecute those responsible for the attacks.

"It is the implacable resolve of the Met Police Service to track down those who are responsible for these terrible deaths," said Blair.

Blair said more than one person carried out the attacks and there was "absolutely nothing to suggest" they were suicide bombings, but that nothing could be ruled out. (Police update)

Deputy commissioner Hayman said the train bombs were likely placed on the floors of carriages. Police are not sure if the bus bomb was placed on the floor or a seat.

"Initially, the forensic investigation suggests that each device used had less than 10 pounds (4.5 kg) of high explosives," Hayman said.

Half of the 700 wounded were treated on the scene and the rest were taken to hospitals, Blair said, adding that 100 people remained in hospitals overnight and 22 had serious injuries.

Earlier Friday, Britain's top law enforcement official said police were searching for the bombers before they had a chance to strike again. (Urgent search; CCTV clues)

"We have to have ... maximum consideration of the risk of another attack, and that's why our total effort today is focused on identifying the perpetrators and bringing them to justice," Home Secretary Charles Clarke told BBC radio.

"The fact is, we're looking for a very small number of very evil needles in a very large haystack, which is the city of London," Clarke said.

He said the government was taking seriously a claim of responsibility on the Internet from a group calling itself "The Group of al Qaeda of Jihad Organization in Europe." The authenticity of the claim could not be verified. (Group's claim; Analysis)

Clarke also said police were looking "very closely" at the possibility that one or more suicide bombers were involved.

A passenger who survived the bus blast said he saw an "extremely agitated" man rummaging in a bag just seconds before the explosion, PA reported.

The bus blast occurred about 30 minutes after the last train explosion.

Investigators found fragments of timing devices that may have been used in the three train blasts, but no such fragments have been found in the bus explosion, U.S. law enforcement sources told CNN.

"The cause of the bus explosion right now is problematic. We don't know yet what we're dealing with as the cause there," one law enforcement official told CNN.

However, Blair said investigators have found no evidence of timing devices "because we haven't reached that point in the investigation."

Blair said there were no warnings ahead of the blasts, and he defended a decision to relax Britain's alert level in recent months.

"There is nothing to suggest that intelligence has been missed in any way," he said.
Lighter than normal traffic

Most bus and some Underground services had been restored by Friday morning, but police were urging people not to come into the British capital unless necessary.

Traffic appeared much lighter than normal, with many Tube stations, buses and road nearly empty.

Some people were walking, cycling or taking taxis, but those who did venture into trains and buses said they had little choice.

"I was scared, but what can you do?" Raj Varatharaj, 32, told AP as he emerged from an Underground station. "This is the fastest way for me to get to work. You just have to carry on."

Terry McAndrew, who was at Holborn station in central London near one of the bombed trains, said he was anticipating a normal workday.

"You can't give in to terrorists," he told AP. "We don't need to be put down by it."

Bus route No. 30 was full of commuters Friday morning, despite the previous day's blast that tore through a bus on the same route. Large screens were erected to shield the wreckage of the bus from onlookers. (Full story)

Meanwhile, British newspapers marked London's bloodiest peacetime attack with somber front pages that struck a defiant tone. (Press review)

In Britain and across the world, Arabs and Muslims expressed outrage at the terrorist attacks, with the dominant viewpoint summed up by one person who wrote on a Web site, "Enough ... enough." (Arab, Muslim reaction)

And stocks opened higher in Europe Friday, regaining some of the ground they lost on Thursday. (Europe stocks)

Queen Elizabeth II visited some of the wounded at Royal London Hospital, where she said the terrorists "will not change our way of life."

Prince Charles and his wife, the Duchess of Cornwall, went to St. Mary's Hospital to visit victims of the bombings.

"What I can never get over is the resilience of the British people who have set us all a fantastic example of how to react to these kinds of tragedies." he said. (Royal response)
'Waiting to die'

The four blasts went off within an hour at the height of morning rush hour. (Timeline)

The first explosion rocked the Underground's Circle Line near the Liverpool Street Station about 8:51 a.m., killing at least seven people, Scotland Yard said.

A second blast followed four minutes later on the Piccadilly Line, between King's Cross and Russell Square, killing at least 21.

"We were all trapped like sardines waiting to die," said Angelo Power, survived the second blast. "I honestly thought I was going to die, as did everyone else." (Eyewitness accounts)

The third blast, 9:17 a.m., blew a hole in the wall of a train car at the Edgware Road station, on the Circle Line. That explosion killed at least seven.

Thirteen people died in the final blast at 9:47, when a fourth explosion blew the top off the No. 30 bus at Tavistock Place.

Ambulance services spokesman Russell Smith said emergency workers treated patients with serious or critical injuries, including "burns, amputations, chest and blast injuries and fractured limbs."
Leaders react

British Prime Minister Tony Blair blamed Islamic extremists for the morning rush-hour attacks and vowed to bring those responsible to justice.

"We will not be intimidated," the prime minister said after returning briefly to London from Scotland, where he was hosting the G8 summit. (Blair text)

Blair closed the summit Friday, saying, "We speak today in the shadow of terrorism, but it will not obscure what we came here to achieve. (G8 summit; Special report)

Earlier, Blair read a joint statement issued by the G8 leaders in the wake of the attacks. (World reaction; G8 statement)

"We will not yield to these people, will not yield to the terrorists," U.S. President George W. Bush said from the G8. "We will find them; we will bring them to justice." (Bush text)

The blasts spurred U.S. authorities to boost security in major American cities, particularly those with passenger rail systems. (U.S. response)

In Spain, Queen Sofia and thousands of other Spaniards stood silently at noon Friday to express solidarity with the London victims in a rare demonstration over a terrorist attack that did not occur on Spanish soil, officials said. (Spanish solidarity)

London Mayor Ken Livingstone said the blasts were "mass murder" carried out by terrorists bent on "indiscriminate ... slaughter." He spoke from Singapore, where an announcement that London will host the 2012 Olympic Games inspired celebrations back home a day earlier. (Full story)

Copyright 2005 CNN. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Associated Press contributed to this report.

[Nickdfresh]

Arabs Outraged Over Blasts.

Arab view: 'Enough, enough'
Some Muslims fear backlash after UK bombs

By Octavia Nasr
CNN Senior Editor for Arab Affairs
Friday, July 8, 2005; Posted: 10:10 a.m. EDT (14:10 GMT)


A man reads a newspaper with the headline "London bomb" in Jakarta, Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation.

(CNN) -- Arabs and Muslims in Britain and across the world expressed outrage at the terrorist attacks in London, with the dominant viewpoint summed up by one person who wrote on a Web site, "Enough ... enough."

The loud condemnation of the attacks that targeted civilians reverberated on the street, over the Internet, in newsrooms, and in Arab and Muslim seats of power.

Minority voices praised the attacks with anti-Western invective, but they were largely drowned out. On one popular Web site, one person wrote: "How can you gloat and thank God for terrorist acts that were committed in the name of God???? Shaaaaaaaaaaaame on you Muslims.

"Don't you know that Islam is growing in Europe??? What the heck are you doing mingling things up??? What you're doing has no logic and certainly doesn't fall under the good wisdom God has asked us to follow."

Still, some stated anger at what they say are brutal U.S. and British policies targeting Arabs and Muslims. And many expressed fears that a stretch of bad times is in store for Arabs and Muslims.

The London terror strikes, targeting three subway stations and a double-decker bus, killed more than 50 people wounded hundreds. Authorities are looking into the possibility of al Qaeda's involvement. London Police Commissioner Ian Blair said the attacks showed the "hallmarks of al Qaeda."

The September 11, 2001 al Qaeda attacks in the United States sparked some anger at Arabs and Muslims, which U.S. leaders and others worked to quickly counteract.

Officials from countries like Iraq and Iran issued condemnations of the strikes.

Some prominent Arab writers said the attacks were a reminder that efforts to fight terrorism were necessary.

Jihad al-Khazen, an op-ed columnist for the London-based pan-Arab Al-Hayat newspaper, wrote: "Such criminal terror acts prove that no measure is enough to fight terrorism.

"Actions that governments take to fight terrorism are totally justified because protecting life is a lot more important than protecting civil liberties."

He said he was saddened "that there are people in our Arab world that continue to sympathize with terrorism."

"This is our sick reality and it doesn't help anyone to pretend this mentality doesn't exist. One can't ignore the fact that Arab governments didn't act early on to crush the extreme movements growing in our midst."

He criticized the United States and Britain, saying he hoped they would change policies that fostered "hatred around the world and make it easy for groups like al Qaeda to recruit and execute terror attacks."

On the Arabic-language TV network Al Jazeera, Mohammed Amara -- identified as an Islamist thinker in Cairo -- said "those who want to perform jihad (Muslim holy war) should go and fight the occupiers in the battlefield and not kill unexpecting innocent people.

"We (Muslims) do not kill clerics, we do not kill women, we do not kill children, we do not kill trees. This is what the prophet taught us. The U.S. and Britain are committing atrocities against our people everywhere but we shouldn't respond to a crime with a crime."

TV network Al-Arabiya, on its Web site, solicited readers' responses to the attacks. Several expressed happiness, with comments such as "Allahu Akbar, thanks be to God," "More power to al Qaeda leader Osama (bin Laden)," and "What did you expect? This is only a response to the what the British government has done to the group regardless of which group it is."

In response, these notes were posted: "To the heroes of Arabism and Jihad, since you are sparing no method to attack the West and you gloat as you try to kill the largest number of civilians. How would you like it if the West relieves itself of your headache by hitting you with one of its nuclear weapons. It takes only minutes and then there will be no heroes, no men and no shish kebab."

Another wrote: "Why you are so happy about something like this?" What if one of your family members in London died? Even in a war, don't kill women, children, old people ... please Muslims think before you judge any action, and think about your actions and judge yourself before you judge people."

There were similar responses to another posting, in which someone said: "What happened to them is less than what they deserve" because of all of the people killed in the Muslim world daily. "I hope they will get more and more every day," this writer said.

Writers punched back, saying there was no excuse for such attacks. Responses included:

# "Those terrorists have ruined the reputation of Arabs in Europe" and have hurt the religion.

# "Arabs will be facing more harassment now. That's why Arabs should stand together against these terrorist groups which has only one goal of killing innocent women, elderly and children."

# "We are entering a difficult times in Europe, especially difficult for our brothers who live in dignity and prosperity in Europe while they enjoy the vastness of the continent after they escaped their governments' dictatorships."

# "One of the targeted areas today is Edgware road, which is entirely accommodated by Muslims and Arabs. Do you know that no politicians, army troops, or any important governmental employees use the underground or buses, because simply they have no much more money to use a private car.

# "This is not Islam. Aldgate station is a two-minute walk from the largest Muslim community in London. So please don't be happy."

One writer said "innocent people have been attacked while going about their daily routine... Londoners are the most hard working and efficient city folk I have ever seen, and they shall overcome these awful events and prevail. Blair has a lot of explanation to be done. I am an Arab, and rest assured that we are all shocked and angry.

"We love London!"

[Warham]

Originally posted by FORD
But global warming changes weather systems, which lead to droughts, which cause famine and poverty.

If terrorists get their hands on nuclear devices before we get our hands on them, there won't be famine or poverty much longer. Or at the least, we won't be worried about it, because we'll be in our fallout shelters.

[DLR'sCock]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
That's way too far down the logic chain for most neocons FORD.

uh yeah, see my previous post....

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Warham
If terrorists get their hands on nuclear devices before we get our hands on them, there won't be famine or poverty much longer. Or at the least, we won't be worried about it, because we'll be in our fallout shelters.

Whatever...

If after 4 years all they can come up with is 40lbs of plastic explosive then I'm guessing they are pretty far away from a nuke.

Cheers!

[Warham]

Well, they managed to kill 3,000+ people with two airliners. I'd say they are pretty crafty, Sesh.

When Iran goes online, I wouldn't be too surprised if somebody gets their mitts on one.

[thome]

Originally posted by DLR'sCock
uh yeah, see my previous post....

Neo Con my CO#K

Give me a quick deffinition of what a neo con is

[FORD]

Originally posted by thome
Neo Con my CO#K

Give me a quick deffinition of what a neo con is

Neocon

From Demopedia


The "new conservative." Neocons are for the total elimination of taxes and social programs. They also have a goal of spreading "democracy", for corporate profit, throughout the world using domination and military might.

The neocons were all heavily influenced by the political philosopher Leo Strauss, who believed that relativism and liberalism would be the ultimate downfall of modern society. Strauss believed that too much reason, too much individuality and not enough faith and common purpose was a bad thing. Not faith in a particular religion necessarily but in an ideology in general. He felt that the ideology didn't need to be true as long as it was something that would bring people together to work toward common goals.

Based on his teachings, the neocons currently in power have a long history of creating myths out of whole cloth in order to 'rally the troops'. Concrete examples include Donald Rumsfeld's creation of the Office of Special Plans during the lead up to the Iraq War and creation of 'Team B' during his previous term as Secretary of Defense under Gerald Ford. In both cases the purpose of the group was to take intelligence that the CIA had looked at and 're-evaluate' it, with the secret purpose of exaggerating the threat. In the former case, to make Iraq out to be a larger threat than it really was. In the latter case, to exaggerate the threat from the Soviet Union and it's supposed disregard for ballistic missle treaties. It is interesting to note that 100% of the information coming out of both groups was later found to be false.

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[scorpioboy33]

maybe instead of fighting over the politics of this tradgedy we might pray or send good thoughts to those injured and those who have lost family members

[thome]

I guess i wasnt to clear give me "Your deff" not a dictionary paste up
then Ill tellyou what it really means.and you will be-- wrong again.
Ill bet you 5 stars no questions asked.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by thome
I guess i wasnt to clear give me "Your deff" not a dictionary paste up
then Ill tellyou what it really means.and you will be-- wrong again.
Ill bet you 5 stars no questions asked.

The bottom line about "neocons" to me is anyone stupid enough to not only believe what gw&friends says, but to support it. The ones who actually argue their moronic points. The ones who are looking forward to the Invasion of Iran.