Not Another Rove Thread

[Cathedral]

Naaaaa, forget the beer, go straight for the hard shit.

I'd just like it if i could understand what the hell people are saying before they blow a gasket on me.

Oh well...............

[thome]

Humvee

The humvee is to transport troops not to repel a RPG
a RPG would lay waste to a tank if place in certain areas

The humvee has windows can you dig my thoughts.
it was armored fine and will always be armored fine.

The debate is ANTI BUSH BULLSH#T made up by no not dik bags
to discredit BUSH and our mititary.

Its a non.

If our boys want to make battle field adjustments they need to
do so .

WE move fast put anouther 1000 pds on the HV and everybody dies.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Naaaaa, forget the beer, go straight for the hard shit.

I'd just like it if i could understand what the hell people are saying before they blow a gasket on me.

Oh well...............

If I read a whole thread of their shit, I'd need heroin.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Cathedral
[B]Is there something better than the Hummvee we can send them right now?
I'm all for whatever the troops need, but as far as i know, The Hummvee (with armor) is the best option right now.

You are correct. Technically, however, Humvees weren't designed to lug all that extra weight (armor) along for the ride. Maybe extra-heavy duty power plants are another option?

[thome]

Cat leme tellya somethin silly:If one of our soldiers welded a 25ft
solid steel spike on a humvee to keep people away.and it worked

the press would blame Bush for not having a big enough POLE
on the HV.

Its a battle field adjustment they are made every day the press hyped
it out our army is the finest equipped in the WORLD.

Live fire testing is how you improve youself its normal

I get agitated not at you.. just the discusion that makes it BUSH and
his presidency to blame for things they DONT DO.

[thome]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
If I read a whole thread of their shit, I'd need heroin.

I need hekrion just looking at that fag in your Avatar. :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by thome
Cat leme tellya somethin silly:If one of our soldiers welded a 25ft
solid steel spike on a humvee to keep people away.and it worked

the press would blame Bush for not having a big enough POLE
on the HV.

Its a battle field adjustment they are made every day the press hyped
it out our army is the finest equipped in the WORLD.

Live fire testing is how you improve youself its normal

I get agitated not at you.. just the discusion that makes it BUSH and
his presidency to blame for things they DONT DO.

Well, my argument isn't about bashing Bush, I just want the best for our troops in battle.
And since we waged the war I think they could have been a bit better prepared than they were.
Pointing out the obvious isn't about blame to me, all i care about is the safety of the troops. and when they discover that they need something, they should get it right fucking now, or ASAFP.

I have a hard time believing that Gulf War I didn't teach us anything about doing battle in that sand box.

And all partisan issues aside, having to wait for votes, so they can wait longer after that fact to get what they need should be dealt with a bit more quickly.
And that isn't the fault of Bush, it is the fault of the Government as a whole.

The bottom line to me is this, we knew where we were sending them, we controlled the clock, and funds should have been readied prior to the war for these kinds of field contingencies.

Oh, and if the new Hummvee's being built with armor now aren't already getting a larger power plant to make up for the weight gain, something is wrong there.

But i do have a question.
Why isn't body armor issued to soldiers along with their uniforms?
It should be a package deal, especially if the prospect of war is anticipated. The fact that soldiers families had to buy them and send them to them is troubling to me, very troubling.

All that said, adapting is one of the great strengths our military possesses.

The media can go suck a dildo for all i care.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
You are correct. Technically, however, Humvees weren't designed to lug all that extra weight (armor) along for the ride. Maybe extra-heavy duty power plants are another option?

Given what the clock says, this should have already been done, the suspensions beefed up too.

But i 100% agree with you.

Look folks, this isn't about arguing politics to me.
It is about solving the problems that exist and doing that faster than it is getting done now.
Soldiers die while we go through the steps to solve the problems.

Bush is the President, so it's up to him and his Administration to equip the troops adequately.

We have midnight sessions to get things passed for a brain dead woman, but the soldiers have to wait for business hours?

That's a governmental issue, not a party issue.

[LoungeMachine]

White House in panic over spy scandal

Bush is on the rack over a revelation that his close aide Karl Rove exposed a CIA agent

Paul Harris in Washington
Sunday July 17, 2005
The Observer

It was a question the White House press corps once believed unthinkable. Has President George W Bush lost confidence in his political guru, Karl Rove? If simply posing the question was a surprise last week, the answer - or, more accurately, the lack of one - was an even greater shock.
When Bush faced reporters at the White House last Wednesday, he dodged questions on Rove. Seated as ever, just behind his President, Rove himself was tight-lipped and pale. The Rove-Bush partnership has changed the face of American politics, propelling Bush from Texas to the White House. Not for nothing is Rove known as 'boy genius' to Republican friends and 'Bush's brain' to Democrat enemies. Now that is under threat.

The so-called 'Valerie Plame affair' has the Bush administration in a panic. An investigation into whether White House officials deliberately blew the cover of a CIA agent in an attempt to hit out at a critic of the Iraq war has Rove firmly in its sights.

The scandal has all the classic ingredients: an unmasked CIA agent - who just happens to be a glamorous blonde - and a tough-minded independent investigator. There are secret sources, leaked emails and even a reporter thrown in jail. The official White House spokesman, the normally unflappable Scott McClellan, has been caught making a grossly misleading statement. Newspapers are devoting page after page to the twists and turns of the case.

It is starting to have a familiar ring. Ronald Reagan had Iran-Contra. Bill Clinton had Monica Lewinsky. Does Bush have Plamegate? 'Bad things just happen in second terms,' said Larry Haas, a former Clinton aide. 'The Bush administration looks to the American people that it has lied.'

It all began two years ago with a column from conservative journalist Bob Novak at a time of intense debate over statements by Joseph Wilson, a former diplomat who had researched claims for the CIA that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium in Niger. Wilson publicly accused the Bush administration of using the 'Niger issue' as part of a false justi fication for invading Iraq. Novak's column, citing two administration sources, said Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, worked at the CIA. Such a leak could have had two aims. First, it would punish the Wilsons by blowing her cover and thus jeopardising her career. Second, it would warn others doing CIA work not to speak out publicly against the White House.

'It actually worked. It was aimed at stopping the bleeding after Wilson spoke out and no one else did,' said Mel Goodman, a former top CIA analyst now at the Center for International Policy.

But it was also illegal. Deliberately exposing the identity of an undercover CIA agent is a serious crime. Whoever had spoken to Novak could face up to 10 years in jail. Not only was her career ended, but national security had been harmed. 'To out a CIA operative for political reasons is just unbelievable. This hurts the intelligence community which is supposed to be protecting us. I hope Rove rots in hell,' said Larry Johnson, a former CIA agent who is a former colleague of Plame's.

Bush reacted to the controversy by naming Patrick Fitzgerald as a special counsel to investigate the leaks. That temporarily defused the issue and allowed the 2004 election to be fought without the Plame affair overshadowing it. But instead, as Fitzgerald held secret hearings, the Plame affair became a ticking time bomb. So determined was Fitzgerald to build up an accurate picture of what happened that his inquiries have even led to the jailing of New York Times reporter Judith Miller, who was briefed on Plame's identity by a source but did not write a story about the affair.

But bit by bit a clearer picture has emerged and Rove has been caught in the act. A leaked email last week from Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper said Rove told Cooper that 'Wilson's wife' worked at the CIA before Novak's column appeared. It is also believed that Novak has also told Fitzgerald that one of his two sources was Rove.

That has put Bush in an awkward position. He has previously promised to fire anyone revealed to be involved in the Plame leak, though the White House is now refusing to repeat that statement. McClellan is an even worse spot. He once told reporters that it was 'totally ridiculous' to suggest Rove had been involved.

Rove's only way out is a legal one. The law is clear that to be guilty one must knowingly expose the agent. It is possible Rove did not know Plame was undercover. The other issue is technical. Rove appeared not to refer to Plame by her name in conversation with Cooper, calling her only 'Wilson's wife'. With Novak it appears to be the journalist who asked about Plame's job - which Rove then confirmed - rather than the other way round.

If the legal case against Rove has holes in it, the political case is more damning. For the first time in years the Democrats can exploit a scandal that is easy to understand. While the details are confusing, the narrative is simple: the White House exposed a CIA agent working to protect America. 'People are angry. The press corps is angry. The Democrats just have to keep feeding the beast,' said Haas.

Rove has one huge advantage: Bush's loyalty. Few other presidents have been as loyal as Bush to top officials. And Rove has been with Bush since the beginning. 'If there's no evidence of illegality, I think he'll survive,' said Haas.

[thome]

Cat you seem to be a level headed person .I believe body armor is
issued im not shure probably to officers but any troop can buy it on
post So its up to the individual i believe not shure.Its is standerd issue
for front line troops but maybe not the mechanics behind the lines,
again its available to everyone.Its heavy hot im shure thay may take
it off but they may be ordered to keep it on .I just dont know I still
think most people are making UP for the ones that came before.Fix
What my father f-d up so everyday they fix adjust and adapt.The
GIs were fixing of the humvees if you remember they were welding
extra steel on the doors in the motor pools with OK from thier superiors.THATS how the story BROKE in the fisrt place a reporter saw
them adapting to the environment It all got weird from that. they were
fixing the problem before it was reported.JUst dont believe that our
military is not behind our boys 100% anything else is a LIE.And remember it took us a year to get set up over there before we went into get saddam. Its a long way to get things to the field sadly just
like in your and my life THINGS take TIME.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Well, my argument isn't about bashing Bush, I just want the best for our troops in battle.
And since we waged the war I think they could have been a bit better prepared than they were.
Pointing out the obvious isn't about blame to me, all i care about is the safety of the troops. and when they discover that they need something, they should get it right fucking now, or ASAFP.

I have a hard time believing that Gulf War I didn't teach us anything about doing battle in that sand box.

And all partisan issues aside, having to wait for votes, so they can wait longer after that fact to get what they need should be dealt with a bit more quickly.
And that isn't the fault of Bush, it is the fault of the Government as a whole.

The bottom line to me is this, we knew where we were sending them, we controlled the clock, and funds should have been readied prior to the war for these kinds of field contingencies.

Oh, and if the new Hummvee's being built with armor now aren't already getting a larger power plant to make up for the weight gain, something is wrong there.

But i do have a question.
Why isn't body armor issued to soldiers along with their uniforms?
It should be a package deal, especially if the prospect of war is anticipated. The fact that soldiers families had to buy them and send them to them is troubling to me, very troubling.

All that said, adapting is one of the great strengths our military possesses.

The media can go suck a dildo for all i care.

Body armor works!

Sniper Video

[thome]

Creepy vid .Wonder what they are saying?

[thome]

Dont bother I know what they are saying

Death to Thome Death to Thome Allah be praised

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by thome
Creepy vid .Wonder what they are saying?

They're thanking God because they shot the American soldier. But God wasn't with them and the US soldier survived with no wounds. He then helped shoot up the Iraqi snipers, and then gave on the surviving one first aid. Pretty fucked up, eh?

[Cathedral]

That is a creepy video, Thank God that soldier was Ok.

I know body armor won't protect them 100% of the time, but it sure saved that guy, didn't it?

And then he helps one oft he guys who just tried to kill him....And we're the great Satan?

They're twisted fucks, man........nuff said..............