Not Another Rove Thread

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Warham
Rove didn't leak her name. End of story.

Well, now that that's settled.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
"What I Told the Grand Jury"
EXCLUSIVE Matthew Cooper reveals exactly what Karl Rove told him--and what the special counsel zeroed in on
By MATTHEW COOPER

...

So did Rove leak Plame's name to me, or tell me she was covert? No. Was it through my conversation with Rove that I learned for the first time that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA and may have been responsible for sending him? Yes. Did Rove say that she worked at the "agency" on "WMD"? Yes. When he said things would be declassified soon, was that itself impermissible? I don't know. Is any of this a crime? Beats me. At this point, I'm as curious as anyone else to see what Patrick Fitzgerald has.

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Originally posted by Warham
Rove didn't leak her name. End of story.

Wow, how quickly you exonerate ROVE...

[Warham]

Hey, what was the whole issue when this story broke? What were they trying to pin on Rove?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Hey, what was the whole issue when this story broke? What were they trying to pin on Rove?

Did he out a CIA agent, and did he perjure himself...Try to keep up.

[Warham]

No...they wanted to know if he leaked her name. Period. There was no perjury charges or whether he outed somebody who's behind a desk at the CIA, unless it came from the DNC. It was all about whether he was out for blood and actually spilled her name out over the phone. It didn't happen according to Cooper. NOW it's about perjury and whether he outed a secret operative at the CIA. Apparently, she hadn't really don't anything secret in at least five years. The goalposts are moving daily. When that doesn't turn out to hold water, what's going to be the next charge?

[academic punk]

War -

The issue at hand right now - the one that matters most to me - is that for all this time the White House pretended that they knew nothing about this, that it had nothing to do with them.

Suddenly, thigs have reached a point where they are forced to concede "all right, so, yeah, we had...uh...everything to do with this."

That's unethical. They may have not been under oath, but a lie is a lie. The White JHouse should be put at a higher standard than any other institution in this vcountry, wouldn't you agree?

The lied. Now ask yourself, why would they lie? Because it seemed prudent? becaue they never dremaed that this would come back to haunt them? because initially the investigation was being handled by John Ashcroft? Because Albrerto Gonzales gave plenty of time before for document "misplacement" after receiving the call to keep all papers relevant to this?

You've been had. Whether you're Republican, Democrat, or independent, or even apathetic to politics, this should be no less than a source of disappointment to you.

[Warham]

I'm used to corruption out of the White House. At least since 1992. You might be surprised. I'm not.

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Warham
I'm used to corruption out of the White House. At least since 1992.

I'll grant you that, though I disagree.

But how does that justify this??

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Warham
Rove didn't leak her name. End of story.

Rove lied to the Grand Jury

End of Rove

Fucking dumbass kool-ade drinking twat

[Warham]

You liberals would just love it, but it's not gonna happen.

And while your party wastes away attacking Bush, Rove and anybody else in this administration for another three years, the GOP will be all set to take the next election.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
No...they wanted to know if he leaked her name. Period.

He leaked her identity apparently...

There was no perjury charges...

No, not yet. But he did make several claims regarding his culpability. BTW, what is your definition of "sex" hypowit?

...or whether he outed somebody who's behind a desk at the CIA,...

Oh, so it was for the almighty ROVE to decide which CIA agents were more important than others? What spin and shit is this?! Who the fuck is KARL ROVE to declassify CIA identities?

...unless it came from the DNC. It was all about whether he was out for blood and actually spilled her name out over the phone. It didn't happen according to Cooper.

He provided all but her her name. So what is your definition of "sex" again hypowit?

NOW it's about perjury and whether he outed a secret operative at the CIA.

He did apparently...

Apparently, she hadn't really don't anything secret in at least five years.

What do you mean, she had access to classified material on a daily basis...Oh boy...

The goalposts are moving daily. When that doesn't turn out to hold water, what's going to be the next charge?

Yes I know, BUSH keeps moving them to protect his lil' TURD BLOSSOM. But you approve don't you... C'mon WAR, just say it, "ROVE is above the law! It's all about partisan battles with those Liberals that dissented over the IRAQ War no matter what!" You know you want too.

[Warham]

Bush has always said he would fire somebody who broke the law, but NOT until the investigation is complete. Apparently, Democrats are willing to be the judge, jury and executioner before the findings come out. That is typical of liberals though.

[DrMaddVibe]

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:12 a.m. EDT

Bill Clinton Pardoned Nat'l. Security Leaker

No wonder 2008 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has been silent as a churchmouse about Karl Rove while her Democratic colleagues call for his prosecution for leaking classified information about CIA employee Valerie Plame.

Turns out - in the only case in U.S. history of a person successfully prosecuted for leaking classified information to the press - Hillary's husband pardoned the guilty party.

On January 20, 2001, President Clinton pardoned Samuel Loring Morison, a civilian analyst with the Office of Naval Intelligence. In 1984, Morison had been convicted of providing classified satellite photos of an under-construction Soviet nuclear-powered aircraft carrier to Britain's Jane's Defence Weekly.

He received a two-year jail sentence.

In pardoning Morison, Clinton dismissed the advice of the CIA.

"We said we were obviously opposed - it was a vigorous 'Hell, no,'" one senior intelligence official told the Washington Post at the time. "We think ... giving pardons to people who are convicted of doing that sends the wrong signal to people who are currently entrusted with classified information."

Morison is the only person ever successfully prosecuted under the 1917 Espionage Act, the law invoked by Democrats who want to nail Rove after it became clear that he didn't violate the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

But it's going to be difficult for Dems to feign national security outrage over Plame's outing when the husband of their party's presidential front-runner let an actual convicted leaker off the hook.

Last week, when Sen. John Kerry called for Mr. Rove to be fired, with Hillary standing by his side, she nodded silently. When reporters asked her what she thought of the alleged Rove outrage, she offered only, "I'm nodding."

No doubt while remembering her husband's pardon of Mr. Morison.

[LoungeMachine]

Talk to us in October, Warpig.

The Grand Jury will hand down Scooter and KKKarl's indictments by then

Meanwhile, you're just a pathetic neo-con shitbag hack who defends this piece of shit administration while wacking off to images of Clinton getting the hummer you think you deserve, but never get.

Fuck, how I hate everything you stand for. You seriously disgust me.

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Warham
Bush has always said he would fire somebody who broke the law, but NOT until the investigation is complete. Apparently, Democrats are willing to be the judge, jury and executioner before the findings come out. That is typical of liberals though.

Warham -

If you or I - or anyone - got in a similar situation at our places of employment, I guarantee we would be "on leave" until the investigation was complete.

Think about it in terms of cops who are investigated for intimidation or for wrongfully shooting their weapon: until the investigation is complete, they are on - at best - desk duty (and more often than not, leave without pay).

Come on, you can't possibly sit here saying this shit for real. Do you support a principle or a person? Does integrity come in second place to Karl Rove's version of "what is the definition of "is"? for you???