Detroit Auto Show Bad News

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Jerry Falwell
BTW Phil.... I didn't mean to make the last post a personal attack. I'm awful frustrated about more than your response right now.

Forgive me.

I learn from you. You learn from me. Everybody starts thinking about the issues. I don't think there are any losers on this board.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by bastardog
Thanks, is good to read it.....but if we are going to be cojoined twins I want to be the one on driver side.

I want t2o be on the side of the drive-thru PHARMACY!

I truly did not understand you were agreeing with me about the 'pride' issue. We agree this hurts a cultural groups, any groups, image.

With you and me yesterday, it was just a language miscommuication. I'm glad t2o see you are posting here again and have't stopped.

[what waz zat]

Getting back to the auto industry. The number of recalls for Toyota doubled in 2005 while the number of recalls from GM and Ford dropped. In total, GM and Ford had more, only because they have more vehicles on the road. There is very little difference in quality and in many cases, GM and Ford vehicles are ranked higher in quality than foriegn vehicles. GM has more vehicles that get at least 30 mpg than Toyota. Styling is subjective but I would say that American cars have great styling. GM and Ford build many more vehicles in America than all the foriegn manufactures combined and if you buy a foriegn car, the profit they make is going back to thier country. There really aren't too many reason to buy from a foriegn company than a US company

[Hardrock69]

It is a moot point to me. As I cannot afford to buy a new car, I just will hang on to the two that I have...one is American ('merican! 'merican!) the other Japanese...

Aside from that....Globalization is inevitable.

The Human Race needs to adapt to this changing world.

Big Business is not helping, nor are the governments.
They are all just tools.

Another brick in The Wall?

[bastardog]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
....Globalization is inevitable.

The Human Race needs to adapt to this changing world.

Agree 100% with you

American companies (in fact every company in the world) needs to compete in terms of what people want from them and not focus only in quality and/or style and leave aside other things (like comfort, gas use, power, etc)
I know what I want in a car........I'm sure you know what you want from a car.......but do you think they (the companies) know?

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by bastardog
Agree 100% with you

American companies (in fact every company in the world) needs to compete in terms of what people want from them and not focus only in quality and/or style and leave aside other things (like comfort, gas use, power, etc)
I know what I want in a car........I'm sure you know what you want from a car.......but do you think they (the companies) know?

Dodge has known what I and many other consumers thought about the idea of a 4-door Charger since 1999, and you see what we ended up with don't ya? lmmfao...

But i am careful with my opinion there because their desire to push the envelope is what makes them the leaders of automotive innovation right now, and that's great.
Ford just turned the HEAT up on them when the new Mustang hit the road and exceeded all sales estimates big time so, us Dodge folk are looking at Mopar for our kickass retro throwback, lol.
They blew it with the most stylistic name plate in the stable, the Charger. but it looks like the Challenger "could" <--used loosely~ be their first step in the consumers direction since they restyled the RAM and pulverized Ford F-150 and Chevy C-1500 sales figures throughout the 90's.
People want rear wheel drive cars, Chrysler spares no expense in trying to deliver that along with economical performance, and you have to admit, they get the same horsepower from the new smaller HEMI'S as they did with the gas guzzling BIG BLOCK 426's in the 60's, but with much much better fuel economy.
Whereas back then the difference was dollars at the pump, it is only quarters today between the 4 cylinder and the V-8's which is why people are pretty much saying, "Give me a bitching Hot Rod" instead of, "Hey, Whens the Aries K coming back?", lmmfao, know what i mean?

The days of the SUV are drawing to a close, and the Muscle Car is beginning a new era.
Hell, a Magnum Hemi gets better gas mileage than an SUV, and people are flocking to rear wheel driven performance with some punch that doesn't slug them at the pump, for now anyway.

[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by bastardog

I know what I want in a car........I'm sure you know what you want from a car.......but do you think they (the companies) know?

They have no idea, and no matter how many 'focus groups' they listen to, they will NEVER know.

I want a car that comes with all the latest James Bond accessories. One that operates on Anti-Gravity and can double as a space cruiser.

One that comes with a billion dollars in the trunk, a hot actress in the passenger seat (Dana Delaney, Nicole Kidman, or Barbara Dare) and has a bale of high-grade premium Afghani weed in the back seat, along with a 3,000-watt 20.1 Surround-Sound stereo with the entire remastered CVH catalog installed from the factory.

Oh, and it needs to be a car with a fucking supercharged ion-matter/anti-matter Hemi engine, and a lot of leg room.

But the auto industry will never give me what I want.

FUCK 'EM!

[Cathedral]

Ya know, this thread got me thinking.
I have a 440 ready to be put back together for my '71, but this thread has me thinking about a crate Hemi and a totally updated drivetrain, instrumentation, suspension, the whole 9 fuckin yards, baby.

I saw a '70 Challenger at the Mopar Nationals done this way and it was bad ass. though i'd have to scale it down a little financially, it can be done for less than $30,000 by my rough estimate.

That means i'd have to pass on the new Challenger for a few years, or i could just go ahead and keep it stock and add the new Challenger to the collection ASAP and have them both in original factory form.

Things that make ya go , Hmmmmmmmm............

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
They have no idea, and no matter how many 'focus groups' they listen to, they will NEVER know.

I want a car that comes with all the latest James Bond accessories. One that operates on Anti-Gravity and can double as a space cruiser.

One that comes with a billion dollars in the trunk, a hot actress in the passenger seat (Dana Delaney, Nicole Kidman, or Barbara Dare) and has a bale of high-grade premium Afghani weed in the back seat, along with a 3,000-watt 20.1 Surround-Sound stereo with the entire remastered CVH catalog installed from the factory.

Oh, and it needs to be a car with a fucking supercharged ion-matter/anti-matter Hemi engine, and a lot of leg room.

But the auto industry will never give me what I want.

FUCK 'EM!

I just want a Hemi powered DeLorean with a flux capacitor that does "serious shit" at 88 miles per hour.

I want to go back in time, buy a huge building and fill it with '66 thru '74 Charger R/T's of all assortments then come back to the present and go open that mother fucker up and roll around on the floor with giddy laughter before looking up Barret-Jackson's phone number, lmmfao.

Well, since we're all dreamin -n- stuff.

[bastardog]

I want a Chevelle convertible that looks like the '65 one or at leas the '70 with a 383 stroked chevy engine and a T56 trans. Carburated (with a Demon 750 annular booster) leather bucket seats and all the accesories that Hardrock69 mention except that I want a model or pornstar on every seat available (except the driver one)

[Jerry Falwell]

Had an '86 Mustang Convertible that pushed just over 500 HP at rear wheels.
After I got married, my wife felt like I needed to get rid of it... If momma aint' happy then...

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
They have no idea, and no matter how many 'focus groups' they listen to, they will NEVER know.

I want a car that comes with all the latest James Bond accessories. One that operates on Anti-Gravity and can double as a space cruiser.

One that comes with a billion dollars in the trunk, a hot actress in the passenger seat (Dana Delaney, Nicole Kidman, or Barbara Dare) and has a bale of high-grade premium Afghani weed in the back seat, along with a 3,000-watt 20.1 Surround-Sound stereo with the entire remastered CVH catalog installed from the factory.

Oh, and it needs to be a car with a fucking supercharged ion-matter/anti-matter Hemi engine, and a lot of leg room.

But the auto industry will never give me what I want.

FUCK 'EM!

I'd be happy with a big enough fuckin' cupholder!

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
I'd be happy with a big enough fuckin' cupholder!

Why don't they just put in a six pack refridgerator cooler holder f4or you that runs off your lighter?