Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel: "The President is "disconnected from reality."

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Truman started the US interference in Vietnam. Eisenhower only escalated it.

If you say that Eisenhower was part of the BCE, then so is Truman by connecting the dots.

There was no Republic of (South) Vietnam when Truman was President, it and the whole situation of partition, was created by Eisenhower and his policies...

Hence, that's when the War started, he deployed US troops to South Vietnam in the mid-50's...

Do a little reading on it sometime kiddo...

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
There was no Republic of (South) Vietnam when Truman was President, it and the whole situation of partition, was created by Eisenhower and his policies...

Hence, that's when the War started, he deployed US troops to South Vietnam in the mid-50's...

Do a little reading on it sometime kiddo...

The first soldier casualty wasn't until 1961, so I don't think we had more than a few dozen or even hundred troops troops when E was president. I wouldn't call that a 'presence' by any stretch of the imagination.

[Warham]

13 May 61 - President Kennedy orders 100 "special forces" troops to S. Vietnam

[Warham]

22 Dec 61 - SP4 James Davis of Livingston, Tennessee killed by Viet Cong (VC) later called by President Johnson "The first American to fall in defense of our freedom in Vietnam"

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
13 May 61 - President Kennedy orders 100 "special forces" troops to S. Vietnam

Originally posted by Warham
22 Dec 61 - SP4 James Davis of Livingston, Tennessee killed by Viet Cong (VC) later called by President Johnson "The first American to fall in defense of our freedom in Vietnam"

And?


Is this supposed to prove something?

And if you're going to cut and paste quotes out of context from some internet Vietnam timeline, at least provide a link and some bare-minimum attribution...

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
And?


Is this supposed to prove something?

And if you're going to cut and paste quotes out of context from some internet Vietnam timeline, at least provide a link and some bare-minimum attribution...

It's a timeline. It doesn't need to be 'linked'. There are thousands of Vietnam timelines on the internet with the same information. It's verifiable fact, not somebody's opinion.

It's supposed to prove that soldiers (not 'advisors') were not sent into Vietnam prior to 1961, so that means that Eisenhower had nothing to do with the US military build-up over there. Sure, we were providing aid to the French, but our men weren't over there in any large measure.

[Warham]

Prior to 1961...

10 Aug 50 - First shipload of U.S. arms aid to pro-French Vietnam arrives

1951 - U.S. military aid amounted to more than $500 million by 1951

7 May 54 - Viet Minh overrun French fortress at Dien Bien Phu

8 Sep 54 - Eight nations sign U.S.-sponsored SEATO treaty

12 Feb 55 - President Eisenhower's administration sends the first U.S. advisers to South Vietnam to train the South Vietnamese Army

5 Sep 56 - President Eisenhower tells a news conference that the French are "involved in a hopelessly losing war in Indochina"

8 July 59 - Two Americans are killed and one wounded during a Viet Minh attack 20 miles north of Saigon

[Phil theStalker]

I think this thread should be TITled: Warham Is DiscuntnnecTITed Wit Reality.

:D

[Warham]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
I think this thread should be TITled: Warham Is DiscuntnnecTITed Wit Reality.

:D

I agree with you, Phil, I think a civil war will happen here before I can make sense of your posts.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
It's a timeline. It doesn't need to be 'linked'. There are thousands of Vietnam timelines on the internet with the same information. It's verifiable fact, not somebody's opinion.

It's still plagerism because you're presenting it essentially as your own research, which it's not, my little GOOGLE-monkey...

It's supposed to prove that soldiers (not 'advisors') were not sent into Vietnam prior to 1961, so that means that Eisenhower had nothing to do with the US military build-up over there. Sure, we were providing aid to the French, but our men weren't over there in any large measure.

Again, I'll try to make this clear...

IKE started the precedent of sending US Military "Advisers," so he took over for the French in establishing a South Vietnamese Army (ARVN), and supporting anachronistic, corrupt royalists. He was the first to support RVN, perpetuated the divide at the 17th Parallel between North and South, and cancelled a scheduled democratic election to stop "communism." He created the ground work of the Vietnam War in no small part...

It's not a battle of who sent the troops in first (otherwise it would be FDR, who sent in OSS and small Army teams to support the "Viet Minh" anti-Japanese/French guerrillas, or how many, it's who layed the ground work for the US involvement for the Vietnamese Civil War...

BTW, I didn't Google any of that, that's just from memory.

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
It's still plagerism because you're presenting it essentially as your own research, which it's not, my little GOOGLE-monkey...

No, I'm not presenting it as my own research. I said that there were thousands of timelines on the internet, and I never claimed it was my own work.

Just admit you're being anal and we'll move on.

Again, I'll try to make this clear...

IKE started the precedent of sending US Military "Advisers," so he took over for the French in establishing a South Vietnamese Army (ARVN), and supporting anachronistic, corrupt royalists. He was the first to support RVN, perpetuated the divide at the 17th Parallel between North and South, and cancelled a scheduled democratic election to stop "communism." He created the ground work of the Vietnam War in no small part...

It's not a battle of who sent the troops in first (otherwise it would be FDR, who sent in OSS and small Army teams to support the "Viet Minh" anti-Japanese/French guerrillas, or how many, it's who layed the ground work for the US involvement for the Vietnamese Civil War...

BTW, I didn't Google any of that, that's just from memory.

OK, then by your 'memory' it was a democrat who started it. So we are right back to where we started.

By the way, I'm going to go back and look through every thing you've ever posted and see if they are all linked. You don't mind, do ya?

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Warham
I agree with you, Phil, I think a civil war will happen here before I can make sense of your posts.

Hey baybee, I was in da BLACKOUT. Yeh, a little tree touched a power line in Cleveland wit my electric company, FirstEnergy, and everyboody in da east losst all their power. I know we're only 3 days from civil war on any given day we wake up.




PS Sorry aboot da 'Warham Bashing', butt tit's FUN.:D

[Warham]

There's no need to document credit when assembling generally accepted facts, like the timeline above.

I googled that, by the way. :P

[Warham]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
Hey baybee, I was in da BLACKOUT. Yeh, a little tree touched a power line in Cleveland wit my electric company, FirstEnergy, and everyboody in da east losst all their power. I know we're only 3 days from civil war on any given day we wake up.




PS Sorry aboot da 'Warham Bashing', butt tit's FUN.:D

It's alright, Phil. I'm used to it.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
No, I'm not presenting it as my own research. I said that there were thousands of timelines on the internet, and I never claimed it was my own work.

Just admit you're being anal and we'll move on.

No. I'm following basic prodocals. Just admit you're being: A.) Lazy B.) Cryptic C.) Sloppy D.) all of the above

OK, then by your 'memory' it was a democrat who started it. So we are right back to where we started.

By the way, I'm going to go back and look through every thing you've ever posted and see if they are all linked. You don't mind, do ya?

What is "it?" And if any info I've posted isn't attributed to another writer or organization, then it is linked...

Have fun though.