John Kerry just can't keep his foot out of his mouth

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  • Ellyllions
    Veteran
    • Mar 2006
    • 2012

    "Holier than thou"? Pot/Kettle?

    Don't misunderstand my apparent aloof behavior as holier than thou. I just refuse to involve absolutes in any conversation or debate. Nothing is ever absolute. All the rhetoric of sweeping statements is an avoidance of fact. I also refuse to post information from sources that have an apparent slant.

    Education and monetary status is just as discriminating as racial discussions in any circumstance. If you think there is no difference, try driving an '86 Ford Explorer in certain areas of North Raleigh. And that has nothing to do with Military.

    Yesterday, while looking for these stats I read some great articles about the discussions of the military and the debates about how to "fix" the enlistees. It seems that there has been some discussion on returning to a draft, but not by who I thought would be considering it. It seems that there was a largely Democratic voice calling that a draft might be considered in order to try to get more whites, educated, as well as wealthy enlistees into the military. Obviously that wasn't fulfilled.

    So, I started thinking about the people that I know who have enlisted or who wants to enlist. My own son has been interested in enlisting after high school since he was 12. He even informed me yesterday, ironically, that he's slated to take the ASVAB for the Marines next week. My husband and his father are both opposed to this as they'd like him to do something more "lucrative" with his life. When the reality is that my son isn't motivated by money. He's more like me than anyone else. I went into civil service because I wanted to do something that lended my skills to help other people instead of lining my pockets. If you offered me 10K to eat a cockroach, I'd decline. My son is the same way. When we talk to him about possible career we all know that to talk about the amount of cash is a mute point with him. And we have the resources to send him to college for as many years as he would need. But in his mind, sitting behind a desk and pushing paper around isn't his idea of a life. When the men in his life try to talk him out of a military career, he comes to me complaining that they don't understand him.

    So might it be accurate to assume that (just maybe) the people who enlist in the military are people who aren't motivated by money?
    "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49563

      First of all, something missing in this thread in the hysteria of Kerry-bashing was that his stupid joke was aimed at Bush (whom he was talking about in regards to education, and making poor decisions) by say that he was getting (US) stuck in Iraq.

      He left out one word, and a meaningless debate ensues, almost as if 102-soldiers didn't die in Iraq mostly defending an Iraqi gov't that refuses to talk to its Sunni faction because the US armor and infantry presents a shield in which the Sunnis cannot defeat. Of course, this means they can continue to have a constituency of militias and death squads, some of which have ties to Iran. So, what are we fighting for?

      It is the people obsessed with Kerry here that "dishonor" the troops, by maintaining their ignorance regarding Iraq (a common complaint I understand by the actual troops not posing for partisan photo-ops)...
      Last edited by Nickdfresh; 11-03-2006, 09:45 AM.

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      • Ellyllions
        Veteran
        • Mar 2006
        • 2012

        Originally posted by Nickdfresh
        First of all, something missing in this thread in the hysteria of Kerry-bashing was that his stupid joke was aimed at Bush (whom he was talking about in regards to education, and making poor decisions) by say that he was getting (US) stuck in Iraq.

        He left out one word, and a meaningless debate ensues, almost as if 102-soldiers didn't die in Iraq mostly defending an Iraqi gov't that refuses to talk to its Sunni faction because the US armor and infantry presents a shield in which the Sunnis cannot defeat. Of course, this means they can continue to have a constituency of militias and death squads, some of which have ties to Iran. So, what are we fighting for?

        It is the people obsessed with Kerry here that "dishonor" the troops, by maintaining their ignorance regarding Iraq (a common complaint I understand by the actual troops not posing for partisan photo-ops)...
        Well, it really doesn't matter what anyone here says for or against the war, if they get labeled early on, that's the assertion that continues.
        "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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