Tomb Of Jesus and His Family Discovered in Israel

[bueno bob]

I like the idea behind Christianity; it's a great body of work and the message is clear, good and strong.

It's just practicing Christians I don't really see eye to eye with. They're the proof positive that ANYTHING can be taken entirely too far.

[bueno bob]

And by that - I don't mean ALL Christians, not my a long stretch. The ones that are in the general public eye, who seem to hold all of the power, are the biggest culprints when it comes to the inner corruption and self-righteousness.

Of course, the same goes for the Government...the school...or any general body...the ones in the spotlight who use their base to grandstand their own agendas, ideals or beliefs seem to be too easily corrupted with their own ideas and self importance.

The average Christian that I've met, who believes in his religion and tried to live his life to those beliefs, is a decent, fair, friendly, kind human being.

Zealots ruin everything - Christianity isn't the rule, it's just one of many examples.

[Shuey]

Originally posted by bueno bob
I like the idea behind Christianity; it's a great body of work and the message is clear, good and strong.

It's just practicing Christians I don't really see eye to eye with. They're the proof positive that ANYTHING can be taken entirely too far.

So true! That is my biggest problem with the church! So many freaks telling you how to live & what to do …People are people.

Consider this -- A Christian is one who trusts in Christ alone for all of salvation, who pleads His righteousness alone as his full entitlement to the whole inheritance of grace. A Christian is one who follows the Gospel of Christ and His teachings. Christ's Gospel nor any of His teachings promoted legalism. A person who is a legalist, no matter what else they claim, is a lost person. All they promote is dead works and fruit unto death. True Christianity is the exact opposite as it promotes salvation by God's free and sovereign grace in Christ Jesus.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Shuey
Only a fool would argue with an atheist who had no point! Did you have a question? No, you made a statement that you assumed you knew what you were talking about; that just kills me when people think they know the truth because of something they heard or read somewhere without researching it. did you list anything worth reading? Did you find proof of an error in the bloodline? Ummm no! Will you? No you won’t! Being wise in you’re own eyes has blinded you to even seeking out the truth about the topic. Am I going to spend my time correcting you? No…because if I do, we will only move on to you’re next question, is Dave in the band or what?

I will leave you to your ways, but for you’re own peace of mind you should dig in a little deeper & find out who programmed your mind? The state? You’re own intellect?
Or the research you have done finding out the truth.

Only a fool reaches 40 without taking the time to learn the difference between you're and your.

Some reading skills too since you missed that I stated two problems with your supernatural bloodline.

The two bloodlines in your storybook disagree with each other so they can't both be true. Secondly one goes back to Adam which is just fucking rubbish. Anything to do with Adam is just fucking bullshit.

And when you answer this could you also let us know how Santa manages to get to every house in the world in just one night.

The state programmed my mind to wonder how that could be done...

Cheers!

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Shuey
Seshmeister! Here is a quick class for ya ! it only takes 24rhs ;0)

Learn The Bible In 24 Hours
I think you will like Chuck Missler, he is a teacher not a preacher!
Chuck, a Naval academy graduate and former Branch Chief of the Dept. of Guided Missiles, had a remarkable 30-year executive career. He served on the Board of Directors of 12 public companies and was CEO of 6 of them.

Learn the Bible in 24 Hours

Why would I waste my time doing that?

If I had 24 hours to spend on fantasy stories I think I would choose Harry Potter. I've still to read any of those but I hear they are quite tightly plotted.

Cheers!

[Shuey]

oh....boy!


cheers!

[Hardrock69]

YE WILL BURN IN HAIL SAITH THA LORD-DUH JEEZUSSSS-AH.....

[Hardrock69]

What Shuey has posted has nothing to do with Biblical Archaeology, therefore I shall not debate his beliefs.

BUT JEEEE-ZUSSSS SAYS HE WILL BURN IN HELL FOREVER!!!
SAY-TIN WILL TORMENT HIM UNTIL THE END OF TAHM. MAH FRENZ!!! HE HATH BEEN SENTENCED BY GAWD TO BE BURNED AT THE STAKE FOR HIS SINS!!!!

THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO SINNERS LIKE SHUEY FOR BLASPHEMING AGAINST THA LOR-DUH JEEE-ZUSSS-AHHH!!!

[Hardrock69]

[For a more detailed discussion, watch for our new book, Cosmic Codes -- Hidden Messages from the Edge of Eternity, presently in publication.]

Oh, so you are an author?

Trying to push your book, eh?

Pretty ignorant aren't ya? Isn't such a book a bit outta yer league?


Go wipe the drool from yer mouth there son....

[Shuey]

Pass it - give some to sesh! so... who are you in the pic?

[Golden AWe]

Originally posted by bueno bob
I like the idea behind Christianity; it's a great body of work and the message is clear, good and strong.

True...though even that is originally kung-futsean...

[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by Shuey
Pass it - give some to sesh! so... who are you in the pic?

Tooooke...I am the guy who is being burned alive at the stake at the hands of the Christian Fundaligionists....just because I speak from a more realistic viewpoint....




By the way, I realized what the ultimate shortcoming of Christianity, Islam and Judaism are while watching the debate of Religion Vs. Film-making Blasphemer last night after the Jesus thang.

The problem is this: The early Christians should not have had faith in something that can be proven by science or historical fact.

IF something can be proven to exist by way of science....then it is something existing in the physical universe.

The physical universe is imperfect. But if something exists in the physical universe, only an insane person would claim it does not.

"Nice car you got there..."

"There is no car there....?"

"You are sitting on it.."

"No..I am floating in the air..."


"Mmmmkay...."

The physical universe evolves, for instance, like humans are born, grow old and die. Once they die, they turn to dust, just as everything else on the planet does. Rocks, plants, animals....everything on the planet returns to cosmic dust whence it came.

If the Christians worshipped "God" instead of some guy named Jesus and his pack of acolytes, then there would not be any worries. Science would not be trying to establish whether or not God is real, because Science is the study of the physical universe.

Christians would not have to worry that their entire belief system might become unravelled due to some archaeological discovery.

The archaeologists would not have to worry about religious zealots interfering with their work.

And everything would work out ok....people could get back to arguing over which God is more powerful.....


"Crum laughs at your gods!"



Someone way back when decided to worship Jesus instead of God.

The Muslims decided to worship Mohammed instead of Allah.

Ok so I draw a cartoon of Mohammed. So fucking what? He was just a man....one who got his sandals on one at a time like anyone else...he had to eat, crap, breathe air, and survive, like anyone else.

Same thing for Jesus.

Draw a cartoon of Allah, and I could see Muslims getting irate.

But drawing a cartoon of a man?

Give me a fucking break.


Because a human being has been the subject of 2,000 years of worship, the laws of a human being must apply, as relating to the physical universe.

Now, on a relevant note, you don't see anyone crying because someone might find the bones of Buddha now, do you?


Buddha was thought to live several thousand years ago, but the philosophy does not exactly entail worship of the MAN Buddha....though it could easily follow that path like Islam and Christianity have.

Judaism does not exactly worship a human...yet

They believe their god-like human just has not shown up yet.

They still lose points for basing their religion on the appearance or return of some guy.

How do they know the Messiah is not going to be a woman?






So if some guy had written an entire book about what God says, oh say about 2,000 years ago, but had left all the stories about people and all the historical bullshit out of it, then you could say you have a true religion.

I see the statement a lot "Oh it does not matter what they discover, because I still have faith!"

That is all well and good except for one thing.....Christianity is based on historical Humans.

The Human Beings are written about in other places aside from the Bible in many cases.

And so because someone back there was claiming some humans were more god-like than others, when archaeology these days and in the future show it more likely they were just regular folks, it creates problems for Christianity.

Perhaps Christians will just stick to their faith, but then it is the same as saying a house is still completely sound, even though the inside might be proven to be eaten up by termites.

It is fortunate for Christianity that there cannot be any 100% proof about some of these things. They can hide behind statements like "I still have faith", even when it is entirely possible the story could be an ancient fiction.

If people said they believed in God, or Yahweh or Allah, and there were no humans involved in the story, nobody would blink an eye.

Have all the faith in God you want, my friends......but get humans involved in the story, and it just fucks it all up for everybody.

The Human Race will fuck it up every time.

Though as far as religion goes there is certainly something to be said for Buddhism.

I don't see Buddhists strapping bombs to themselves, or enslaving other people because their skin color is darker, or condemning other people to hell for all of eternity just for actually have a mind of their own & different beliefs to boot.

And no you do not have some power-mad Buddhist trying to take control of the Earth, do ya?


We now return to our feature presentation "Gay Christian Relationships: The Jerry Falwell/Jim Bakker Story - Or How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Know My Fellow Man...Biblically"

:D

[Shuey]

A good read Hard rock! Hey at least it seems you are digging for something.

"Gay Christian Relationships" Oh now thats something to talk about!
So when did Adam meet Steve??

[Seshmeister]

Or where the fuck did Cain's wife come from exactly?

I see the gay issue as just another problem with Christian doctrine.

There were at least one guy maybe two in my grade school class that were obviously gay. Gay before even the sexual stuff had kicked in. 7 years old. Just completely obvious and maybe you can somehow argue that bisexuality is in some way a moral choice but at least one of those guys was born gay. So created gay by a god?

According to the bible Jesus never said anything about gay shit but he did say that he completely supported everything in the Old Testament. Maybe that was just added later. To me it's obvious that given the hundreds of inconsistencies and plain evil in the old testament then it's all about picking what you like.

Bottom line is the Bible is a fucking mess of inconsistencies, impossiibilities and patent immorailty. If you come to the conclusion tha the bible is entirely inconsistent and inaccurate then logically Christianity is bullshit. If on the other hand you take the huge logical faith jump that it is true then bottom line is that God is a cunt so either ignore him or become a cunt and hope that he will be nice to you once you are dead.

The vast majority of people seem to fail on both oounts.

Cheers!

[jhale667]

Wow, guys...a new zealot troll... just what the place needed.

Let's say a prayer/have a moment of reflection (as they used to say in parochial school) for him/her/it.