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It always amazes me how many potshots are taken at Christianity -- but then again, that's what politically correct right now. James Cameron wouldn't dare to try to debunk the origins of Islam.
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*Maury Povich*
...."When it comes to baby Jesus.......
....Joseph,.........
You are NOT the father..
* the chase backstage/ editing beeps*
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Yea well confession alone will not save you. In order to receive forgiveness yes you have to confess your sins but you also must change your ways that you originally asked forgiveness for. Equate like being married. You cheat on your wife and ask her to forgive you. If you continue to cheat than you cant blame her for packing your hbags and telling you to hit the road. PLEXI, i agree with you 100% that some christians like to qoute scripture but do not live the true word and discipline. Other than tithing which the critics will point out is payment for placement in heaven can you honestly say that the commandment and teaching of the bible is bad where people are suppose to live in peace and love one another?Comment
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Originally posted by FORD
Ummmm..... DNA tests??
Based on what?
Did God send Cameron a sample of His DNA?
What exactly are they going to compare to the DNA of these bodies?
Just for the sake of argument, let's suppose that these DNA samples ARE from Jesus, and that Jesus was the son of God.
What happens if scientists use that DNA and create a clone?“Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”Comment
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people are hypocrites, thats not a reason to hate christianity?? whats so bad about trying to be a good person and treating others as you would like to be treated?? TO me it seems like basic ways people should act.Comment
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Originally posted by frankenshit
Yea well confession alone will not save you.
Not true according to some branches of christianity, which is why it is difficult for me to accept 1 religion over another. The baptists are a perfect example of 1 doctrine with disagreement.
It's ALL a matter of faith, no one knows the absolute truth.
And many a war have been fought and millions if not billions have been killed over someone's interpretation of a truth that they themselves do not know.Comment
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If DNA can clone the son of GOD, but can't convict Orenthal, I'm moving to Saturn.Originally posted by sadaist
Just for the sake of argument, let's suppose that these DNA samples ARE from Jesus, and that Jesus was the son of God.
What happens if scientists use that DNA and create a clone?
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....and Joseph?Originally posted by DLRdelight!
the only dna testing i could think of jesus to his mother mary???Comment
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Exactly my point. Neither Mary, nor Joseph, nor God, or Jesus Himself have DNA on file at the Jerusalem police department database. So what is the purpose of doing a DNA test on these bones when it cannot possibly prove or disprove that these are the remains of Jesus Christ or any members of His family.Eat Us And Smile
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Exactly. I actually went to a Christian High School for a while, but switched back to public school due to the way they said I HAD to believe. I don't care what religion anyone is, or even if they don't believe at all. People can choose what's best for themselves.Originally posted by gunsnmotley
people are hypocrites, thats not a reason to hate christianity?? whats so bad about trying to be a good person and treating others as you would like to be treated?? TO me it seems like basic ways people should act.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you“Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”Comment
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Doesn't matter.Originally posted by sadaist
Just for the sake of argument, let's suppose that these DNA samples ARE from Jesus, and that Jesus was the son of God.
What happens if scientists use that DNA and create a clone?
Because if Jesus were in such a grave, it would mean that he didn't resurrect himself from the dead, and that would mean he wasn't the son of God.
Which is exactly the conclusion that Cameron is trying to buy here. Though the DNA tests cannot possibly prove the answer one way or the other.Eat Us And Smile
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There is noting bad about this. What is bad is that most of the religious people in the world claiming that their religion is the "right" one and if you don't follow their religion or their beliefs you are going to burn in some place called hell forever. Most of these same people don't practice what they claim to believe of preach either. These are the hypocrites.whats so bad about trying to be a good person and treating others as you would like to be treated??And God heard the voice of the lad. Then the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said to her, “What ails you, Hagar? Genesis 21:17Comment
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Look people, it is simple:
1. DNA can prove if Jesua is the son of Joseph and one of the Marys...
2. DNA can prove if Judah is the son of Jesua and the other Mary
That is the main thing concerning DNA testing.
Anyone who thinks they can compare DNA to someone alive today and it will actually mean something are out of their skull.
Though if they can determine which haplogroup they belong to, a person might say they belong to the same haplogroup as the people in the tomb, for what that is worth.
The DNA thing is only part of the story.
We will see what they say tomorrow, and then Tuesday I will read the story for myself when the book comes out.
My interest regarding Christianity has always been the historical aspect (meaning actual evidence), and this is just another discovery in that realm.
I will leave all the arguments about religious and supernatural crap to those who want to argue about it.Last edited by Hardrock69; 02-25-2007, 10:26 PM.Comment
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Not at christianity.....just at the phoney hypocrites who claim to be born again christians. All of these phoney people who claim to love Jesus. Imagine how Jesus feels knowing that all of these people are claiming that they love him when in fact most of them are saying it out of fear or because they were told they had to from a very young age. Then they go out trying to "save" everybody. Most religions are just as bad and full of hypocrites.It always amazes me how many potshots are taken at ChristianityAnd God heard the voice of the lad. Then the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said to her, “What ails you, Hagar? Genesis 21:17Comment
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Good call.
My intent has not been to destroy people's spiritual values, but merely to point out that simply saying you believe in something does not mean it really ever happened or existed.
Just because some ancient writings state someone was resurrected and rose up to the sky one day does not mean those statements should be taken literally. The Bible is FULL of allegory...much stuff that was not meant to be taken literally.
And if said story applies to someone like Jesus, where there was no physical proof he ever existed at all, it makes it even further removed from reality.
I would rather people have beliefs in reality, not in stories with no (or limited) basis in fact.
Reality vs. Fiction
It is a conflict as old as the human race.
IF this is all true...Christians all over the world should be happy, as it would be ACTUAL physical proof that he did exist.
So those who say he never existed can be proven wrong.Comment
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