Straight from the horses mouth

[FORD]

Originally posted by Ellyllions


As far as the definition of "victory"? I would say that "victory" could only mean that we leave Iraq better than we found it.

And that's no longer possible. Chimp & PNAC should have listened to those who told them it never would be. Including his own father, and all the (now retired) generals who certainly know war better than a bunch of draft dodging chickenhawk neocons.

[blueturk]

So it appears that there is no "mission" in Iraq and "victory" (by Ellyion's definition at least) is very likely an impossibility. It would appear that we are staying in Iraq solely to try to validate the Bush/Cheney administration's policies....

"It's bad in Iraq. Does that help?" --George W. Bush, after being asked by a reporter whether he's in denial about Iraq, Washington, D.C., Dec. 7, 20

[FORD]

....or to establish a permanent occupation, as the PNAC plan suggests. You don't spend a billion dollars on a base like "New Babylon" (or the other 13 permanent bases, for that matter) for a temporary occupation that you genuinely want to get out of.

[ODShowtime]

yeah, but the troops say we shouldn't talk about pulling them out. They like helping the Iraqis.

We shouldn't even debate about it. It puts them in harm's way.

[studly hungwell]

I've read the art of was. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze forgive me for the typo.