$145 Billion? YOU FUCKING REPUBLICANS

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Blackflag


C. A recurring theme in this thread: you still have presented no better alternative. To quote you, you're just "tearing down somebody else's idea with no solution of your own."

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Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Repeal Bush's tax cuts....

Cut Big Oil's Corporate Welfare...

Stop starting wars..........

Quit outsourcing jobs........

Stop loopholes that allow war-profiteers such as Halliburton from moving to Dubai while cashing our checks.

Originally posted by LoungeMachine


Why not take that money, and reinvest into our infrastructure like Roosevelt.

Good paying jobs, needed improvements.

Fucking hypocrite.


I've offered my OPINIONS on other ways to deal with this Republican-led crisis.

Where's your's?????


Jesus Christ

[Blackflag]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
And MOST economists agree the 2001 "rebate" went to pay off debt.

. . .

The majority of consumers saved or paid off a debt rather than spending it," said Matthew Shapiro, professor of economics at University of Michigan, who co-wrote the second report.


I answered your question, yet you havent answered mine.

1. One professor is not "most economists."

2. What is his evidence? Seriously, how would he know what people spent their money on?

3. I answered you why I'm arguing - I don't feel like going out, and I'm wasting time on the internet. Don't let it give you a woody, but you really are a fun guy to talk to.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Blackflag
1. Correct me if I'm wrong, but no rebate = leaving taxes unchanged.

2

That';s not RAISING taxes, as you keep bleating about.

Originally posted by Blackflag


3. I think raising gas tax is actually a goodidea. There's no way you could call that regressive, because working folks don't need gas to get back and forth to work. Also, a huge increase in shipping, trucking, and air travel costs would likely spur business activity. No doubt employment would increase.

So you're FOR raising taxes??? :confused:

See, I too can play that game.

Read my post again, I said a gas tax on MOST purchases, leaving room for business and the poor not to pay it.

Buy an Escalade and drive it 60 miles a day alone? $10 / gal.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Blackflag
1. One professor is not "most economists."

2. What is his evidence? Seriously, how would he know what people spent their money on?

3. I answered you why I'm arguing - I don't feel like going out, and I'm wasting time on the internet. Don't let it give you a woody, but you really are a fun guy to talk to.

1] I said I've read many reports, you asked for ONE quote.

That's all I have interest for today, sorry.

2] How the fuck would I know? I'm not an economics prof.

3]

[Blackflag]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine



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Fucking hypocrite.


I've offered my OPINIONS on other ways to deal with this Republican-led crisis.

Where's your's?????


Jesus Christ

We already dealt with those. Repealing the tax cuts means raising taxes.

There's arguably to way for the president to stop outsourcing at all..sure as hell not in the next few months.

Stop starting wars...no shit, but too late now.

The infrastructure thing...Don't get it. You don't want to give people checks, but you'll give them ongoing paychecks for years to do make-work jobs (digging ditches and filling them up)? It's the same thing, just more expensive - even more debt to take on.

I mean - you may have a point with that one - maybe get something in return for the money - but there's no way to do it in the next few month. Period.


What I do like: collecting taxes from the oil companies. If the president/congress had any ethics, they'd also investigate for antitrust.

[Blackflag]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine

Read my post again, I said a gas tax on MOST purchases, leaving room for business and the poor not to pay it.

I think you know what sarcasm is.

And that's always the answer for everything, isn't it? Bend over, middle class - we want to promote good behavior by using your labor.

The poor won't have to pay, the rich won't care, business won't have to pay...but the middle class guy trying to get to his job gets fucked. How would you even do that nice little fuck job, anyways? Gas stations have two gas prices, depending on what your income is? Holy shit.

That makes sense.

Again, before you look to Europe for ideas...might want to see how great their economies have done. You might also see the results of high taxation along the way.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Blackflag
We already dealt with those.

Yet you still claimed I haven't offered any alternatives.

Which is it?

I haven't. Or I have, but you already dealt with those, and now require more?

And check the avg fuel economy of the middle class' autos in europe against our's.

While you're at it, compare mass transit.


We in the US are not going to give up our "addiction" to oil until gas reaches europe-like prices.

Why not pay ourselves the difference, instead of Exxon-Mobil?




Look, I don't have every answer, as much as you expect me to.

But IN MY OPINION this "rebate" is a 3 card monte scheme being paid back by our grand kids so Joe Six pack can fill his tank 4 more times, and Sally can buy the Wal-Mart blue light special.

YOU think it's a good idea, fine.

I think you're wrong.



But neither one of us dictates economic policy for this administration, so we've both wasted ones and zeros arguing about it.



Now, where can I get that new truck for $1,600.00 you promised?






Out.

[Blackflag]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine

And check the avg fuel economy of the middle class' autos in europe against our's. While you're at it, compare mass transit.


But IN MY OPINION this "rebate" is a 3 card monte scheme being paid back by our grand kids so Joe Six pack can fill his tank 4 more times, and Sally can buy the Wal-Mart blue light special.

Now, where can I get that new truck for $1,600.00 you promised?

1. Agree we need better fuel economy and mass transit. But dreaming about the future won't help the economy today.

2. Agree it's borrowing against the future. But no alternative. You can try to boost the economy today to hopefully pay off the debt in the future. Or you can let it crash and pay off an even bigger bill in the future.

3. I heard you can buy a car made in India now for $2000. I bet it's sporty.

[scamper]

Originally posted by ELVIS
What...:confused:

Where do you suggest we find the funds to pay people $20 an hour to flip your burger ??

Our grandparents had a word for burger flipping-they called it opportunity.

[scamper]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I also have posted threads in here calling for a $5.00 a gallon tax on most gas purchases, to be used for mass transit, light rail, and alternative fuel research.

See, I think gas is TOO cheap in this country. We're spoiled.

I agree we need a temporary tax hike to pay off some debt, but if you slapped a 5.00 per gallon gas tax on America you would bring the economy to its knees. Think about air fare, trucking, people who live in rural areas. That would kill this nation.

[scamper]

Although I'm for a TEMPORARY tax increase the more the people in this country are taxed the closer to socialism we are. Has anyone here every tried to figure out what percent of their income is taxed. I'm not just talking about income tax, but gas tax, food tax, capital gains tax, service tax, sales tax..... the list goes on and on and it all comes from our income. Add it up sometime, it's scary.

[jgdrag]

I believe this is a red herring. This appears to be part of a bigger plan within North America? The lost jobs aren't coming back. When Canada was hit with the NAFTA agreement (Mexico) took our jobs. Then the export of jobs started to go to China which caused a problem within our economy. Fortunately, 85% of our exports were to America and that kept the country alive. Unfortunately, with the decline of American or Canadian produced vehicles steadily decreasing to the point of plants closing and higher income wokers not being able to supplement lost hourly wages has greatly decreased the economic potenial of our two countries. Your present housing delema would support a slow down in the economy of substantion proportions. I also fear that a meltdown is headed for Canada. If 85% of our goods are shipped to America, and there is nobody who can buy our goods due to the American economy, we don't need to export as much which by simple mathematics would create a recession in this country as well.
This to me, appears to be the perfect time to give birth to the North American Union? All the pieces seam to be falling into place for the government of our countries to sell this thinking to the people of our countries?
Only saving grace that could prevent this from happening would be a NEW technology! Something along the lines of electro magnetic propolsion, free energy etc

[Lqskdiver]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Retired, yes.

Investment income, a local club, as well as a few rental properites brings me a decent income.

yes, the ASCAP royalties aint what they once were, but....

Anything else?

I don't think the royalty distributions have anything to do with it, but more in line with the quality of the product that did pay out enough dividends in the long run. Sorry, my 2 cents.

As for retired, whatever happend to March 5??

[Blackflag]

That's cold.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Lqskdiver
I don't think the royalty distributions have anything to do with it, but more in line with the quality of the product that did pay out enough dividends in the long run. Sorry, my 2 cents.

Couldn't disagree if I want to....

Originally posted by Lqskdiver
As for retired, whatever happend to March 5??

It's the day after March 4th?



Ya never told me what you think of this "plan" for a "rebate", Liquid.

:confused: