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  • kwame k
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Feb 2008
    • 11302

    Obama will try to block executive bonuses at AIG

    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama declared Monday that insurance giant American International Group is in financial straits because of "recklessness and greed" and said he intends to stop it from paying out millions in executive bonuses.

    "It's hard to understand how derivative traders at AIG warranted any bonuses, much less $165 million in extra pay," Obama said at the outset of an appearance to announce help for small businesses hurt by the deep recession.

    "How do they justify this outrage to the taxpayers who are keeping the company afloat," the president said.

    Obama spoke out in the wake of reports that surfaced over the weekend saying that financially strapped American International Group Inc. was paying substantial bonuses to executives.

    Noting that AIG has "received substantial sums" of federal aid from the federal government, Obama said he has asked Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner "to use that leverage and pursue every legal avenue to block these bonuses and make the American taxpayers whole."

    Said Obama: "All across the country, there are people who work hard and meet their responsibilities every day, without the benefit of government bailouts or multimillion-dollar bonuses. And all they ask is that everyone, from Main Street to Wall Street to Washington, play by the same rules."

    "This isn't just a matter of dollars and cents," he added. "It's about our fundamental values."

    The $165 million was payable to executives by Sunday and was part of a larger total payout reportedly valued at $450 million. The company has benefited from more than $170 billion in a federal rescue.

    AIG reported this month that it had lost $61.7 billion for the fourth quarter of last year, the largest corporate loss in history. The bulk of the payments at issue cover AIG Financial Products, the unit of the company that sold credit default swaps, the risky contracts that caused massive losses for the insurer.

    Rep. Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, earlier Monday charged that the move to pay bonuses amounted to "rewarding incompetence."

    "These people may have a right to their bonuses. They don't have a right to their jobs forever," said Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat.

    Frank noted that the Federal Reserve Board, using a Depression-era statute, was the institution that gave AIG its initial government bailout, before Congress passed legislation providing for additional assistance and said that not enough safeguards were built into the deal.

    It also was revealed over the weekend that American International Group Inc. used more than $90 billion in federal aid to pay out foreign and domestic banks, some of whom had received their own multibillion-dollar U.S. government bailouts.

    Some of the biggest recipients of the AIG money were Goldman Sachs at $12.9 billion, and three European banks — France's Societe Generale at $11.9 billion, Germany's Deutsche Bank at $11.8 billion, and Britain's Barclays PLC at $8.5 billion. Merrill Lynch, which also is undergoing federal scrutiny of its bonus plans, received $6.8 billion as of Dec. 31.

    The money went to banks to cover their losses on complex mortgage investments, as well as for collateral needed for other transactions.

    "We ought to explore everything that we can through the government to make sure that this money is not wasted," said Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala. "These people brought this on themselves. Now you're rewarding failure. A lot of these people should be fired, not awarded bonuses. This is horrible. It's outrageous."

    Frank said he was disgusted, asserting that "these bonuses are going to people who screwed this thing up enormously."

    "Maybe it's time to fire some people," he said. "We can't keep them from getting bonuses but we can keep them from having their jobs. ... In high school, they wouldn't have gotten retention (bonuses), they would have gotten detention."

    AIG has agreed to Obama administration requests to restrain future payments. Geithner had pressed the president's case with AIG's chairman, Edward Liddy, last week.

    "He stepped in and berated them, got them to reduce the bonuses following every legal means he has to do this," said Austan Goolsbee, staff director of President Barack Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board.

    Obama did note in his remarks Monday that Liddy "came on board after the contracts that led to these bonuses were agreed to last year."

    In an interview that aired Sunday on CBS' "60 Minutes," Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke did not address the bonuses but expressed his frustration with the AIG intervention.

    "It makes me angry. I slammed the phone more than a few times on discussing AIG," Bernanke said. "It's — it's just absolutely — I understand why the American people are angry."

    In a letter to Geithner dated Saturday, Liddy said outside lawyers had informed the company that AIG had contractual obligations to make the bonus payments and could face lawsuits if it did not do so.

    Frank appeared on NBC's "Today" show and Shelby was interviewed on ABC's "Good Morning America."
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    Originally posted by vandeleur
    E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D
  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 59558

    #2
    Considering that we the people pretty much own AIG by now, we should demand these bastards not only return their "bonuses" but that the leeches who paid them be fired (at least) or executed.
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    • kwame k
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Feb 2008
      • 11302

      #3
      Frank noted that the Federal Reserve Board, using a Depression-era statute, was the institution that gave AIG its initial government bailout, before Congress passed legislation providing for additional assistance and said that not enough safeguards were built into the deal.

      It also was revealed over the weekend that American International Group Inc. used more than $90 billion in federal aid to pay out foreign and domestic banks, some of whom had received their own multibillion-dollar U.S. government bailouts.

      Some of the biggest recipients of the AIG money were Goldman Sachs at $12.9 billion, and three European banks — France's Societe Generale at $11.9 billion, Germany's Deutsche Bank at $11.8 billion, and Britain's Barclays PLC at $8.5 billion. Merrill Lynch, which also is undergoing federal scrutiny of its bonus plans, received $6.8 billion as of Dec. 31.
      I fucking knew we were paying debt off twice. Once to AIG and then once to the fucking bank. This is fucking bullshit!
      Originally posted by vandeleur
      E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 59558

        #4
        Jon Stewart mentioned that on The Daily Show a couple weeks ago, even before his infamous smackdowns of CNBC. Before then, I hadn't thought about what it actually was that AIG was insuring.

        They should have just bailed out the goddamn homeowners in the first place. Then the banks would get their money, and AIG wouldn't have needed to cover the shit.
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        • kwame k
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Feb 2008
          • 11302

          #5
          Originally posted by FORD
          Jon Stewart mentioned that on The Daily Show a couple weeks ago, even before his infamous smackdowns of CNBC. Before then, I hadn't thought about what it actually was that AIG was insuring.

          They should have just bailed out the goddamn homeowners in the first place. Then the banks would get their money, and AIG wouldn't have needed to cover the shit.
          I was questioning it awhile ago in some other thread but now it's fucking right in front of our faces.
          Originally posted by vandeleur
          E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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          • Nitro Express
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Aug 2004
            • 32942

            #6
            Originally posted by FORD
            Considering that we the people pretty much own AIG by now, we should demand these bastards not only return their "bonuses" but that the leeches who paid them be fired (at least) or executed.
            Execution would be too good for these banker/insurance scum. I say we toss them in a freezing cold, wet cell and blast them with Dreams and other Hagar songs 24/7 at 120 decibels.
            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 59558

              #7
              Originally posted by Nitro Express
              Execution would be too good for these banker/insurance scum. I say we toss them in a freezing cold, wet cell and blast them with Dreams and other Hagar songs 24/7 at 120 decibels.
              Now THAT is torture!
              Eat Us And Smile

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              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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              • Nitro Express
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Aug 2004
                • 32942

                #8
                Originally posted by kwame k
                I fucking knew we were paying debt off twice. Once to AIG and then once to the fucking bank. This is fucking bullshit!
                Not only is it bullshit. It's bank robbery. Some say around $9 Trillion worth because the Federal Reserve was given direct access to the Treasury Dept. Money leaves without any Congressional appropriation.

                If you look at the whole banking debt situation worldwide the banks issued more debt than there is wealth in the world to pay it back. It's all a huge pyramid scheme of bullshit. The only thing we can do is take over the banks and write off the derivative debt and then issue 0% loans to get a real economy going. An economy built on making stuff and exporting stuff instead of banking gimmicks and bullshit.

                Globalism never helped anyone except for the elitists at the top screwing the rest of us.
                No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                • Kristy
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 16727

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nitro Express
                  Execution would be too good for these banker/insurance scum.
                  I'm all for the reinstitution of public floggings myself (by Mistress Taxpayer...?) with a little tar and feather on the side. I'd love to see that being done on the deck of one their yachts and filmed for YouTube.

                  It's no surprise the bankers run the world by owning anything from war machines to major corporations (wow, that sounded a little Rage Against The Machine there) so it's no wonder they have the media in their back pockets too without the worry of anyone holding their feet to the fire for their insatiable greed. This is exactly why they get away with what they do. Obama may bemoan their behavior on behalf of the taxpayer but really he's not going to change the global financial system. They already royally fucked over their shareholders and your tax dollars are in their sights; big money is their heroin and its' feeding fix for these people 24/7. And that's the whorish world we live in.

                  Thank you, I'm Fred Rodgers (or Geddy Lee) and hope this has all been helpful.


                  "Can you say you're about to take it up the ass once more with a corporate dildo from an investment banker this big? Sure, I knew you could."

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                  • FORD
                    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                    • Jan 2004
                    • 59558

                    #10
                    Meanwhile, on other corporate fraud fronts......

                    Shittibank is using their stolen taxpayer money to fly lobbyists on corporate jets to Washington DC, to lobby against the Employee Free Choice Act. Or in other words, using money from middle class taxpayers to further the oppression of middle class taxpayers.

                    And over at JPMorganChaseWaMu, they're using their "bailout" money to further the criminal outsourcing of jobs to fucking India!

                    Kill all these fucking criminal bastards. Fuck the trials, just line 'em all up against the wall, and give them the appropriate sentence for their economic treason.
                    Eat Us And Smile

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                    • kwame k
                      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 11302

                      #11
                      Originally posted by FORD
                      Meanwhile, on other corporate fraud fronts......

                      Shittibank is using their stolen taxpayer money to fly lobbyists on corporate jets to Washington DC, to lobby against the Employee Free Choice Act. Or in other words, using money from middle class taxpayers to further the oppression of middle class taxpayers.

                      And over at JPMorganChaseWaMu, they're using their "bailout" money to further the criminal outsourcing of jobs to fucking India!

                      Kill all these fucking criminal bastards. Fuck the trials, just line 'em all up against the wall, and give them the appropriate sentence for their economic treason.
                      Wow, FORD! An entire rant and not one mention of the BCE
                      Originally posted by vandeleur
                      E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 59558

                        #12
                        Originally posted by kwame k
                        Wow, FORD! An entire rant and not one mention of the BCE
                        Well, they ARE the ones that gave the money to these criminal bastards in the first place. And they are responsible for most of the deregulation that allowed the fraudulent conditions to exist.

                        But I figured everybody knew that by now.
                        Eat Us And Smile

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                        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                        • kwame k
                          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 11302

                          #13
                          OK, let's say $170 million in this latest theft. The first round of the TARP payments, not one single bank can account for where that money went. Once this round of money goes out.......I don't have the exact figures but it looks like it's going to be close to 1/2 to a trillion dollars gone for nothing....poof! Instant wealth, courtesy of the USA taxpayers. I'm thinking dull butter knife and the nether regions.........
                          Originally posted by vandeleur
                          E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                          • Guitar Shark
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 7579

                            #14
                            How did Obama win the last election? Was the BCE asleep at the switch?
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                            Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                            Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                            • FORD
                              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 59558

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Guitar Shark
                              How did Obama win the last election? Was the BCE asleep at the switch?
                              Nothing left for them to steal. The BCE only likes to be in power when they can steal from the American people and divert it all to the haves and have mores that Chimp correctly referred to as "my base".
                              Eat Us And Smile

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                              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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