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  • Big Train
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    • Apr 2004
    • 4013

    #61
    Originally posted by hideyoursheep
    But not your nature to question the manner in which your rule book was edited.
    While I'm not practicing, actually the opposite is true. Martin Luther and I still have some unanswered questions about the rule book, which put things in motion.

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    • hideyoursheep
      ROTH ARMY ELITE
      • Jan 2007
      • 6351

      #62
      Originally posted by Big Train
      While I'm not practicing, actually the opposite is true. Martin Luther and I still have some unanswered questions about the rule book, which put things in motion.
      What a great idea for a thread!!

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      • Big Train
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        • Apr 2004
        • 4013

        #63
        It would be, there is a lot to cover there.

        I'm waiting for your threads full of genius, instead of your latest pithy comment. Please enlighten us with your own intelligent thread.

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        • hideyoursheep
          ROTH ARMY ELITE
          • Jan 2007
          • 6351

          #64
          Originally posted by Big Train
          It would be, there is a lot to cover there.

          I'm waiting for your threads full of genius, instead of your latest pithy comment. Please enlighten us with your own intelligent thread.
          Who exactly is us?

          Your string is showing.

          Don't start whining like a biatch that I take things personal with you when you start flailing your arms because you don't like my responses to your copy-paste op-eds, Napoleon.

          Now do you have anything else to say on the thread subject, or are you gonna drool all over the thread because of your obsession with having the last word?

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          • Big Train
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            • Apr 2004
            • 4013

            #65
            Originally posted by hideyoursheep
            Who exactly is us?

            Your string is showing.

            Don't start whining like a biatch that I take things personal with you when you start flailing your arms because you don't like my responses to your copy-paste op-eds, Napoleon.

            Now do you have anything else to say on the thread subject, or are you gonna drool all over the thread because of your obsession with having the last word?
            Your huggies are showing. Us would be anyone who has to scroll past yet another post of yours that says "this sucks", with nothing else of intelligence to add. Makes Thome seem readable.

            Stop being such a fag because I asked you to contribute a meaningful thread. Just admit you don't accept the challenge. Nothing personal here, just don't think you whining adds anything to a thread.

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            • hideyoursheep
              ROTH ARMY ELITE
              • Jan 2007
              • 6351

              #66
              The irony.......the irony.......

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              • Big Train
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                • Apr 2004
                • 4013

                #67
                Thanks for proving my point with that post.

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49219

                  #68
                  4th-grader asks Rice about torture
                  'The president was not prepared to do something illegal,' she replies

                  The Associated Press
                  updated 6:18 p.m. ET, Mon., May 4, 2009

                  WASHINGTON - Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told Jewish elementary school students that the Bush administration did not use illegal interrogation tactics. Her remarks were in response to a question from Misha Lerner, a fourth-grader at the Jewish Primary Day School of the Nation's Capital, The Washington Post reported Monday.

                  Rice spoke at the school Sunday before giving a lecture at the Sixth & I Historic Synagogue.

                  Lerner asked Rice what she thought about the Obama administration's remarks on interrogation methods authorized by its predecessors.

                  Rice responded that she didn't want to criticize President Barack Obama. But she also said that President George W. Bush assured his administration that "we would do nothing, nothing, that was against the law or against our obligations internationally."

                  "I hope you understand that it was a very difficult time. We were all so terrified of another attack on the country," she said. "Even under those most difficult circumstances, the president was not prepared to do something illegal, and I hope people understand that we were trying to protect the country."

                  Last week the former secretary of state told Stanford University students that "we did not torture anyone."

                  Copyright 2009 The Associated Press.

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                  • Seshmeister
                    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                    • Oct 2003
                    • 35217

                    #69
                    Fucking witch!

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                    Rather than debating students, setting up straw dog arguments as she does here they should try some 'enhanced interrogation' on her.

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                    • LoungeMachine
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 32576

                      #70
                      Rice
                      Cheney
                      Gonzalez
                      Rumsfeld
                      Bush

                      5 people who should be on trial......
                      Originally posted by Kristy
                      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                      Originally posted by cadaverdog
                      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                      • Seshmeister
                        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                        • Oct 2003
                        • 35217

                        #71
                        She seems to be using the Nixon argument - if the president says it's not illegal it's not illegal.

                        That's a fucking pre Magna Carta 800 year old argument...

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                        • lesfunk
                          Full Member Status

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 3583

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Seshmeister
                          Fucking witch!


                          That's politically incorrect. They prefer the term "African Americans"
                          http://gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=4448212&t=o GIFSoup

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                          • MUSICMANN
                            Sniper
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 837

                            #73
                            For all that keep thinking that under the Bush Adminstration, the US did something out of step with how other presidents handled detainees, need to read this. The US in the past has done far worse to actual POW's than what the CIA has done to Terroist by using some sleep depravation and water boarding. The point i'm trying to make is, stop bashing Bush. His term is done and over and i would bet my life that Obama will do the same if it means protecting America from harm. It does seem like he will get his chance with the Taliban marching on the capital of pakistan and their nukes hanging in the balance. Some of you here need to grow up and come live in the real world. War can make a country do some out of the ordinary things against soilders from another country. War against a enemy that is part of no country and has no code, should not be in any shape or form considered the same.



                            Contents [hide]
                            1 Ancient times
                            2 Middle Ages
                            3 Modern times
                            3.1 Hague and Geneva Conventions
                            3.2 Qualifications
                            3.3 The United States Military Code of Conduct
                            4 World War I
                            4.1 Release of prisoners
                            5 World War II
                            5.1 Treatment of POWs by the Axis
                            5.2 Treatment of POWs by the Allies
                            6 Post World War II
                            7 Numbers of POWs
                            8 See also
                            9 References
                            10 Further reading
                            11 External links



                            [edit] Ancient times
                            For most of human history, depending on the culture of the victors, combatants on the losing side in a battle could expect to be either slaughtered, to eliminate them as a future threat, or enslaved, bringing economic and social benefits to the victorious side and its soldiers. Typically, little distinction was made between combatants and civilians, although women and children were more likely to be spared. Sometimes the purpose of a battle, if not a war, was to capture women, a practice known as raptio; the Rape of the Sabines was a notable mass capture by the founders of Rome. Typically women had no rights, were held legally as chattel, and would not be accepted back by their birth families once they had borne children to those who had killed their brothers and fathers.

                            Likewise the distinction between POW and slave is not always clear. Some of the Native Americans captured Europeans and used them as both labourers and bargaining chips; see for example John R. Jewitt, an Englishman who wrote a memoir about his years as a captive of the Nootka people on the Pacific Northwest Coast in 1802–1805.


                            [edit] Middle Ages
                            See also: Prisoners of war in Islam
                            During the Middle Ages, a number of religious wars were particularly ferocious. In Christian Europe, the extermination of the heretics or "non-believers" was considered desirable. Examples include the 13th century Albigensian Crusade and the Northern Crusades.[1] Likewise the inhabitants of conquered cities were frequently massacred during the Crusades against the Muslims in the 11th century and the 12th century. Noblemen could hope to be ransomed; their families would have to send to their captors large sums of wealth commensurate with the social status of the captive. In the samurai-dominated Japan there was no custom of ransoming prisoners of war, who were for the most part summarily executed.[2] In pre-Islamic Arabia, upon capture, those captives not executed, were made to beg for their subsistence. During the early reforms under Islam, Muhammad changed this custom and made it the responsibility of the Islamic government to provide food and clothing, on a reasonable basis, to captives, regardless of their religion. If the prisoners were in the custody of a person, then the responsibility was on the individual.[3] He established the rule that prisoners of war must be guarded and not ill-treated, and that after the fighting was over, the prisoners were expected to be either released or ransomed. The freeing of prisoners in particular was highly recommended as a charitable act. Mecca was the first city to have the benevolent code applied. However, Christians who were captured in the Crusades were sold into slavery if they could not pay a ransom.[4]

                            The 1648 Peace of Westphalia, which ended the Thirty Years' War, established the rule that prisoners of war should be released without ransom at the end of hostilities and that they should be allowed to return to their homelands.[5]


                            [edit] Modern times

                            A Pakistan stamp depicting the 90,000 PoWs in Indian camps captured after the 1971 Indo-Pakistani War. This stamp was issued with the political aim of raising global awareness to help secure their release. The POWs were released by India after the Simla Agreement.During the 19th century, efforts increased to improve the treatment and processing of prisoners. The extensive period of conflict during the Revolutionary War and Napoleonic Wars (1793-1815), followed by the Anglo-American War of 1812, led to the emergence of a cartel system for the exchange of prisoners, even while the belligerents were at war. A cartel was usually arranged by the respective armed service for the exchange of like ranked personnel. The aim was to achieve a reduction in the number of prisoners held, while at the same time alleviating shortages of skilled personnel in the home country.

                            Later, as result of these emerging conventions a number of international conferences were held, starting with the Brussels Conference of 1874, with nations agreeing that it was necessary to prevent inhumane treatment of prisoners and the use of weapons causing unnecessary harm. Although no agreements were immediately ratified by the participating nations, work was continued that resulted in new conventions being adopted and becoming recognized as international law, that specified that prisoners of war are required to be treated humanely and diplomatically.


                            [edit] Hague and Geneva Conventions
                            Specifically, Chapter II of the Annex to the 1907 Hague Convention covered the treatment of prisoners of war in detail. These were further expanded in the Third Geneva Convention of 1929, and its revision of 1949. Article 4 of the Third Geneva Convention protects captured military personnel, some guerrilla fighters and certain civilians. It applies from the moment a prisoner is captured until he or she is released or repatriated. One of the main provisions of the convention makes it illegal to torture prisoners and states that a prisoner can only be required to give their name, date of birth, rank and service number (if applicable).

                            However, nations vary in their dedication to following these laws, and historically the treatment of POWs has varied greatly. During the 20th century, Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany were notorious for atrocities against prisoners during World War II. The German military used the Soviet Union's refusal to sign the Geneva Convention as a reason for not providing the necessities of life to Russian POWs. North Korean and North Vietnamese forces routinely killed or mistreated prisoners taken during those conflicts.


                            [edit] Qualifications
                            To be entitled to prisoner-of-war status, captured service members must be lawful combatants entitled to combatant's privilege—which gives them immunity from punishment for crimes constituting lawful acts of war, e.g., killing enemy troops. To qualify under the Third Geneva Convention, a combatant must have conducted military operations according to the laws and customs of war, be part of a chain of command, wear a "fixed distinctive marking, visible from a distance" and bear arms openly. Thus, uniforms and/or badges are important in determining prisoner-of-war status; and francs-tireurs, "terrorists", saboteurs, mercenaries and spies do not qualify. In practice, these criteria are not always interpreted strictly. Guerrillas, for example, do not necessarily wear an issued uniform nor carry arms openly, yet captured combatants of this type have sometimes been granted POW status. The criteria are generally applicable to international armed conflicts. In civil wars, insurgents are often treated as traitors or criminals by government forces, and are sometimes executed. However, in the American Civil War, both sides treated captured troops as POWs, presumably out of reciprocity, though the Union regarded Confederacy personnel as separatist rebels. However, guerrillas and other irregular combatants generally cannot expect to simultaneously benefit from both civilian and military status.


                            [edit] The United States Military Code of Conduct
                            The United States Military Code of Conduct, Articles III through V, are guidelines for United States service members who have been taken prisoner. They were created in response to the breakdown of leadership which can happen in a typical environment such as a POW situation, specifically when US forces were POWs during the Korean War. When a person is taken prisoner, the Code of Conduct reminds the service member that the chain of command is still in effect (the highest ranking service member, regardless of armed service branch, is in command), and that the service member cannot receive special favors or parole from their captors, lest this undermine the service member's chain of command.
                            Since the Vietnam War the official U.S. military term for enemy POWs is EPW (Enemy Prisoner of War). This name change was introduced in order to distinguish between enemy and U.S. captives. [4], [5]


                            [edit] World War I

                            American prisoners of war in Germany in 1917.During World War I about 8 million men surrendered and were held in POW camps until the war ended. All nations pledged to follow the Hague rules on fair treatment of prisoners of war, and in general the POWs had a much higher survival rate than their peers who were not captured.[6] Individual surrenders were uncommon; usually a large unit surrendered all its men. At Tannenberg 92,000 Russians surrendered during the battle. When the besieged garrison of Kaunas surrendered in 1915, 20,000 Russians became prisoners. Over half the Russian losses were prisoners (as a proportion of those captured, wounded or killed); for Austria 32%, for Italy 26%, for France 12%, for Germany 9%; for Britain 7%. Prisoners from the Allied armies totaled about 1.4 million (not including Russia, which lost between 2.5 and 3.5 million men as prisoners.) From the Central Powers about 3.3 million men became prisoners.[7]


                            German soldiers captured by the British in FlandersGermany held 2.5 million prisoners; Russia held 2.9 million, and Britain and France held about 720,000, mostly gained in the period just before the Armistice in 1918. The US held 48,000. The most dangerous moment was the act of surrender, when helpless soldiers were sometimes shot down. Once prisoners reached a POW camp conditions were better (and often much better than in World War II), thanks in part to the efforts of the International Red Cross and inspections by neutral nations. There was however much harsh treatment of POWs in Germany, as recorded by the American ambassador to Germany (prior to America's entry into the war), James W. Gerard, who published his findings in "My Four Years in Germany". Even worse conditions are reported in the book "Escape of a Princess Pat" by the Canadian George Pearson. It was particularly bad in Russia, where starvation was common for prisoners and civilians alike; about 40% of the prisoners in Russia died or remained missing.[8] Nearly 375,000 of the 500,000 Austro-Hungarian prisoners of war taken by Russians have perished in Siberia from smallpox and typhus.[9] In Germany food was short but only 5% died. [10]

                            The Ottoman Empire often treated prisoners of war poorly. Some 11,800 British soldiers, most of them Indians, became prisoners after the five-month Siege of Kut, in Mesopotamia, in April 1916. Many were weak and starved when they surrendered and 4,250 died in captivity.[11]

                            The most curious case came in Russia where the Czechoslovak Legion of Czechoslovak prisoners (from the Austro-Hungarian army), were released in 1917, armed themselves, and briefly became a military and diplomatic force during the Russian Civil War.


                            [edit] Release of prisoners
                            At the end of the war in 1918 there were believed to be 140,000 British prisoners of war in Germany, including 3,000 internees held in neutral Switzerland. The first British prisoners were released and reached Calais on 15 November. Plans were made for them to be sent via Dunkirk to Dover and a large reception camp was established at Dover capable of housing 40,000 men, which could later be used for demobilisation.

                            On 13 December 1918 the armistice was extended and the Allies reported that by 9 December 264,000 prisoners had been repatriated. A very large number of these has been released en masse and sent across Allied lines without any food or shelter. This had created difficulties for the receiving Allies and many released prisoners had died from exhaustion. The released POWs were met by cavalry troops and sent back through the lines in lorries to reception centres where they were refitted with boots and clothing and dispatched to the ports in trains. Upon arrival at the receiving camp the POWs were registered and "boarded" before being dispatched to their own homes. All commissioned officers had to write a report on the circumstances of their capture and to ensure that they had done all they could to avoid capture. Each returning officer and man was given a message from King George V, written in his own hand and reproduced on a lithograph. It read as follows:[12]

                            The Queen joins me in welcoming you on your release from the miseries & hardships, which you have endured with so much patience and courage.

                            During these many months of trial, the early rescue of our gallant Officers & Men from the cruelties of their captivity has been uppermost in our thoughts.

                            We are thankful that this longed for day has arrived, & that back in the old Country you will be able once more to enjoy the happiness of a home & to see good days among those who anxiously look for your return. George R.I.


                            [edit] World War II

                            [edit] Treatment of POWs by the Axis

                            New Guinea, 1943. An Australian POW about to be beheaded.
                            Russian German-caught POWsThe death toll among POWs in general is estimated at between 6 and 10 million.[13] Germany and Italy generally treated prisoners from the British Commonwealth, France, the U.S. and other Western allies in accordance with the Geneva Convention (1929), which had been signed by these countries.[14]. It is noteworthy that this also applied to Jewish POWs wearing the British Army's uniform, who were treated on an equal footing with other British soldiers and excluded from application of the murderous Final Solution policies effected against virtually all other Jews who fell into Nazi hands. (For example, Major Yitzhak Ben-Aharon - later a prominent Israeli trade unionist and politician - was captured by the Germans at Greece in 1941 and underwent four years of captivity under fairly tolerable conditions).

                            Nazi Germany did not apply the same standard of treatment to non-Western prisoners, such as the Soviets, who suffered harsh conditions and died in large numbers while in captivity. The Empire of Japan also did not treat prisoners of war in accordance with the Geneva Convention. Moreover, according to a directive ratified on 5 August 1937 by Hirohito, the constraints of Hague Conventions (1899 and 1907) were explicitly removed on Chinese prisoners.[15]

                            In German camps, when soldiers of lower rank were made to work, they were compensated, and officers (e.g. in Colditz Castle) were not required to work. The main complaints of British, British Commonwealth, U.S., and French prisoners of war in German Army POW camps-especially during the last two years of the war-concerned the bare bones menu provided, a fate German soldiers and civilians were also suffering due to the blockade conditions. Fortunately for the prisoners, food packages provided by the International Red Cross supplemented the food rations, until the last few months when allied air raids prevented shipments from arriving. The other main complaint was the harsh treatment during forced marches in the last months, resulting from German attempts to keep prisoners away from the advancing allied forces.

                            In contrast, Germany treated the Soviet Red Army troops that had been taken prisoner with neglect and deliberate, organized brutality. The first eight months of the German campaign on their Eastern Front were by far the worst phase, with up to 2.4 of 3.1 million POWs dying. Soviet POWs were held under conditions that resulted in deaths of hundreds of thousands from starvation and disease. Most prisoners were also subjected to forced labour under conditions that resulted in further deaths. An official justification used by the Germans for this policy was that the Soviet Union had not signed the Geneva Convention. This was not legally justifiable, however, as under article 82 of the Geneva Convention (1929), signatory countries had to give POWs of all signatory and non-signatory countries the rights assigned by the convention.[16] Beevor indicates that about one month after the German invasion in 1941 an offer was made by the USSR for a reciprocal adherence to the Hague conventions. This 'note' was left unanswered by Third Reich officials[17]. In contrast, Tolstoy discusses that the German Government as well as the International Red Cross made several efforts to regulate reciprocal treatment of prisoners until early 1942, but received no answers by the Soviet side.[18] Further, the Soviets took a harsh position towards captured Soviet soldiers as they expected each soldier to fight to the death and automatically excluded any prisoner from the “Russian community”.[19]


                            Australian and Dutch POWs at Tarsau, Thailand in 1943According to some sources, between 1941 and 1945, the Axis powers took about 5.7 million Soviet prisoners. About 1 million of them were released during the war, in that their status changed but they remained under German authority. A little over 500,000 either escaped or were liberated by the Red Army. Some 930,000 more were found alive in camps after the war. The remaining 3.3 million prisoners (57.5% of the total captured) died during their captivity.[20] According to Russian military historian General G. Krivoshhev, 4.6 million Soviet prisoners were taken by the Axis powers, of which 1.8 million were found alive in camps after the war and 318,770 were released by the Axis during the war and were then drafted into the Soviet armed forces again.[21]. In comparison, 8,348 Western Allied (British, American and Canadian) prisoners died in German camps in 1939-45 (3.5% of the 232,000 total).

                            On 11 February 1945, at the conclusion of the Yalta Conference, the United States and the United Kingdom signed a Repatriation Agreement with the USSR.[22] The interpretation of this Agreement resulted in the forcible repatriation of all Russians (Operation Keelhaul) regardless of their wishes. The forced repatriation operations took place in 1945-1947.[23] Many Soviet POWs and forced laborers transported to Nazi Germany were on their return to the USSR treated as traitors and sent to the gulag. The remainder were barred from all but the most menial jobs.

                            During Second Sino-Japanese War and the Pacific War, the Empire of Japan which had never signed the Third Geneva Convention of 1929, violated international agreements, including provisions of the Hague Conventions (1899 and 1907), which protect prisoners of war (POWs).

                            Prisoners of war from China, the United States, Australia, Britain, Canada, India, the Netherlands, New Zealand and the Philippines held by the Japanese armed forces were subject to murder, beatings, summary punishment, brutal treatment, forced labor, medical experimentation, starvation rations and poor medical treatment. No access to the POWs was provided to the International Red Cross. Escapes were almost impossible because of the difficulty of men of European descent hiding in Asiatic societies.[24]

                            According to the findings of the Tokyo tribunal, the death rate of Western prisoners was 27.1% (American POWs died at a rate of 37%),[25] seven times that of POWs under the Germans and Italians.[26] The death rate of Chinese was much larger. Thus, while 37,583 prisoners from the UK, 28,500 from Netherlands and 14,473 from USA were released after the surrender of Japan, the number for the Chinese was only 56.[27]


                            [edit] Treatment of POWs by the Allies
                            See also: List of World War II POW camps, Gulag , and Allied war crimes during World War II

                            German soldiers taken POW by the Polish Independent Highland Brigade during the Battle of Narvik of 1940As a result of the Soviet invasion of Poland in 1939, hundreds of thousands of Polish soldiers became prisoners of war in the Soviet Union. Thousands of them were executed; over 20,000 Polish military personnel and civilians perished in the Katyn massacre.[28] Out of Anders' 80,000 evacuees from Soviet Union gathered in Great Britain only 310 volunteered to return to Poland in 1947.[29]

                            According to some sources, the Soviets captured 3.5 million Axis servicemen (excluding Japanese) of which more than a million died.[30] According to G. Krivosheev, the Soviets captured in total 4,126,964 Axis servicemen, of which 580,548 died in captivity. Of 2,389,560 German servicemen 450,600 died in captivity.[21] One specific example of the tragic fate of the German POWs was after the Battle of Stalingrad, during which the Soviets captured 91,000 German troops, many already starved and ill, of whom only 5,000 survived the war. The last German POWs (those who were sentenced for war crimes, sometimes without sufficient reasons) were released by the Soviets in 1955, only after Joseph Stalin had died.[31] At least 54,000 Italian POWs died in Russia, with a mortality rate of 84.5%. See also POW labor in the Soviet Union, Japanese prisoners of war in the Soviet Union, Italian prisoners of war in the Soviet Union, Romanian POW in the Soviet Union.


                            German POW at StalingradDuring the war the Armies of Allied nations such as the U.S., UK, Australia and Canada[32] were ordered to treat Axis prisoners strictly in accordance with the Geneva Convention (1929).[33] Some breaches of the Convention took place, however.

                            According to Stephen E. Ambrose, of the roughly 1,000 U.S. combat veterans that he had interviewed, roughly 1/3 told him they had seen U.S. troops kill German prisoners.[34]

                            Although some Japanese were taken prisoner, most fought until they were killed or committed suicide. Of the 22,000 Japanese soldiers present at the beginning of the Battle of Iwo Jima, over 20,000 were killed and only 1,083 taken prisoner.[35] Of the 30,000 Japanese troops that defended Saipan, less than 1,000 remained alive at battle's end.[36]

                            Japanese prisoners sent to camps in the U.S. fared well but many Japanese were killed when trying to surrender or were massacred just after they had surrendered. (see Allied war crimes during World War II in the Pacific). Some Japanese prisoners in POW camps died at their own hands, either directly or by attacking guards with the intention of forcing the guards to kill them.

                            Towards the end of the war in Europe, as large numbers of Axis soldiers surrendered, the U.S. created the designation of Disarmed Enemy Forces (DEF) so as not to treat prisoners as POWs. A lot of these soldiers were kept in open fields in various Rheinwiesenlagers. Controversy has arisen about how Eisenhower managed these prisoners [6] (see Other Losses). Many died when forced to clear minefields in Norway, France etc. How many died during the several post-war years that they were used for forced labor in France, the Soviet Union, etc, is disputed.


                            [edit] Post World War II

                            North Korean POWs being guarded by a U.S. Marine during the Korean War
                            American POW being questioned by his Vietnamese captors.The North Koreans severely mistreated prisoners of war (see Crimes against POWs)

                            The North Vietnamese captured many U.S. service members as prisoners of war during the Vietnam War, who suffered from systematic mistreatment and torture during much of the war.

                            Regardless of regulations determining treatment to prisoners, violation of their rights continue to be reported. Many cases of POW massacres have been reported in recent times, including October 13 massacre in Lebanon by Syrian forces and June 1990 massacre in Sri Lanka.

                            During the 1990s Yugoslav Wars, Serb forces committed many POW massacres, including: Vukovar, Škarbrnja and Srebrenica.

                            During the gulf war in 1991 American, British, Italian and Kuwaiti POW ( mostly downed aircrew and special forces ) were severely tortured by the Iraqi secret police. An American military doctor, Major Rhonda Cornum, a 37-year-old flight surgeon, captured when her Blackhawk UH60 was shot down was also subjected to sexual abuse.

                            During the 1999 Kosovo War, Serb forces beat and tortured 3 US POWs.[37]

                            In 2001, there were reports that India had actually taken two prisoners during the Sino-Indian War, Yang Chen and Shih Liang. The two were imprisoned as spies for three years before being interned in a mental asylum in Ranchi, where they spent the next 38 years under a special prisoner status.[38]

                            The last prisoners of Iran–Iraq War (1980-1988) were exchanged in 2003.[39]

                            About six months after the 2003 invasion of Iraq by the U.S Army incidents of Iraq prison abuse scandals started to occur. The best known abuse incidents occurred at the large Abu Ghraib prison.


                            [edit] Numbers of POWs
                            This is a list of nations with the highest number of POWs since the start of World War II, listed in descending order. These are also the highest numbers in any war since the Geneva Convention, Relative to the treatment of prisoners of war (1929) entered into force 19 June, 1931. The USSR had not signed the Geneva convention.[40]

                            Prisoner nationality Number Name of conflict
                            Soviet Union 4 - 5.7 million taken by Germany (2.7 - 3.3 million died in German POW camps) [41] (ref. Streit) World War II (Total)
                            Nazi Germany 3,127,380 taken by U.S.S.R. (474,967 died in captivity) [41]
                            3,630,000 taken by Great Britain
                            3,100,000 taken by the United States
                            937,000 taken by France
                            unknown number in Yugoslavia, Poland, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark
                            1,3 million unknown[42]
                            World War II
                            France 1,800,000 taken by Germany Battle of France in World War II
                            Poland 675,000 (420,000 by Germans, 240,000 by Soviets in 1939; 15,000 Warsaw 1944) World War II
                            United Kingdom ~200,000 (135,000 taken in Europe, does not include Pacific or Commonwealth figures) World War II
                            United States ~130,000 (95,532 taken by Germany) World War II
                            Pakistan 90,368 taken by India. Later released by Indian authorities in accordance with the Simla Agreement. Indo-Pakistani War of 1971


                            [edit] See also
                            Rule of Law in Armed Conflicts Project (RULAC)
                            KIA – Killed In Action
                            MIA – Missing In Action
                            WIA – Wounded in action
                            List of notable prisoners of war
                            American Revolution prisoners of war
                            British prison ships (New York)
                            Combatant
                            Disarmed Enemy Forces
                            Geneva Convention
                            Illegal combatant
                            Laws of war
                            Postal censorship
                            Prisoner-of-war camp
                            Prison escape
                            The United States Military Code of Conduct
                            War crime
                            Civilian Internee
                            Camps for Russian prisoners and internees in Poland (1919–1924)
                            Soviet POWs in German captivity
                            Polish prisoners of war in the Soviet Union (after 1939)
                            13th Psychological Operations Battalion (Enemy Prisoner of War)
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                            Danger Within
                            The Deerhunter
                            Empire of the Sun
                            Escape to Athena
                            Faith of My Fathers
                            Grand Illusion
                            The Great Escape
                            The Great Raid
                            The McKenzie Break
                            Hart's War
                            Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence
                            Missing in Action
                            The One That Got Away
                            Prisoner of War (there are several films of this title available here)
                            Rambo: First Blood Part II
                            Rescue Dawn
                            Stalag 17
                            Summer of My German Soldier
                            Tea with Mussolini
                            To End All Wars
                            Uncommon Valor
                            The Wooden Horse
                            Songs

                            Prisoners of War

                            [edit] References
                            1.^ "History of Europe, p.362 - by Norman Davies ISBN 0-19-520912-5
                            2.^ Samurai, Warfare and the State in Early Medieval Japan, The Journal of Japanese Studies
                            3.^ Maududi (1967), Introduction of Ad-Dahr, "Period of revelation", p. 159.
                            4.^ Nigosian, S. A. (2004). Islam. Its History, Teaching, and Practices. Bloomington: Indiana University Press. pp. 115.
                            5.^ "Prisoner of war", Encyclopedia Britannica
                            6.^ Geo G. Phillimore and Hugh H. L. Bellot, "Treatment of Prisoners of War", Transactions of the Grotius Society, Vol. 5, (1919), pp. 47-64.
                            7.^ Niall Ferguson, The Pity of War. (1999) p 368-9 for data.
                            8.^ Prisoners of War and Communism.
                            9.^ 375,000 Austrians Have Died in Siberia; Remaining 125,000 War Prisoner... - Article Preview - The New York Times
                            10.^ Richard B. Speed, III. Prisoners, Diplomats and the Great War: A Study in the Diplomacy of Captivity. (1990); Ferguson, The Pity of War. (1999) ch 13; Desmond Morton, Silent Battle: Canadian Prisoners of War in Germany, 1914-1919. 1992.
                            11.^ British National Archives, "The Mesopotamia campaign", at [1];
                            12.^ The Queen and technology
                            13.^ International Research Project on Jewish Soldiers and Prisoners of War during World War II
                            14.^ International Humanitarian Law - State Parties / Signatories
                            15.^ Akira Fujiwara, Nitchû Sensô ni Okeru Horyo Gyakusatsu, Kikan Sensô Sekinin Kenkyû 9, 1995, p.22
                            16.^ "Part VIII : Execution of the convention #Section I : General provisions". International Humanitarian Law - Geneva Convention Prisoners of War 1929. Retrieved on 2007-11-29. .
                            17.^ Beevor, Stalingrad . Penguin 2001 ISBN 0141001313 p60
                            18.^ Nikolai Tolstoy. The Secret Betrayal. Charles Scribner’s Sons (1977) , ISNB 0-684-15635-0. p. 33.
                            19.^ Gerald Reitlinger. The House Built on Sand.. Weidenfeld and Nicholson, London (1960) ASIN: B0000CKNUO. p. 90,100-1.
                            20.^ Soviet Prisoners of War: Forgotten Nazi Victims of World War II
                            21.^ a b Report at the session of the Russian association of WWII historians in 1998
                            22.^ Repatriation -- The Dark Side of World War II
                            23.^ Forced Repatriation to the Soviet Union: The Secret Betrayal
                            24.^ Prisoners of the Japanese : Pows of World War II in the Pacific - by Gavin Dawes, ISBN 0-688-14370-9
                            25.^ "Japanese Atrocities in the Philippines". American Experience | Bataan Rescue | People & Events.
                            26.^ Yuki Tanaka, Hidden Horrors, 1996, p.2,3.
                            27.^ Tanaka, ibid., Herbert Bix, Hirohito and the Making of Modern Japan, 2001, p.360
                            28.^ Fischer, Benjamin B., "The Katyn Controversy: Stalin's Killing Field", Studies in Intelligence, Winter 1999-2000.
                            29.^ Michael Hope - "Polish deportees in the Soviet Union".
                            30.^ German POWs and the Art of Survival
                            31.^ German POWs in Allied Hands - World War II
                            32.^ Tremblay, Robert, Bibliothèque et Archives Canada, et all. "Histoires oubliées – Interprogrammes : Des prisonniers spéciaux" Interlude. Aired: 20 July 2008, 14h47 to 15h00.
                            Rogers Cable Inc. Ottawa, Ontario. Channel 12, TFO,[2][3] Accessed: 20 July 2008, approx. 14h45 to 15h00. [edit] Note: See also Saint Helen's Island.
                            33.^ Dear, I.C.B and Foot, M.R.D. (editors) (2005). "War Crimes". The Oxford Companion to World War II. Oxford: Oxford University Press. pp. pp.983–984. ISBN 9780192806703.
                            34.^ James J. Weingartner, "Americans, Germans, and War Crimes: Converging Narratives from "the Good War" the Journal of American History, Vol. 94, No. 4. March 2008
                            35.^ Morison, Samuel Eliot (2002) [1960]. Victory in the Pacific, 1945. Urbana, IL: University of Illinois Press. ISBN 0252070658. OCLC 49784806.
                            36.^ Battle of Saipan, historynet.com
                            37.^ "THREE U.S. P.O.W.S CAPTURED BY SERBS", Frontline.
                            38.^ Shaikh Azizur Rahman, "Two Chinese prisoners from '62 war repatriated", The Washington Times.
                            39.^ "THREATS AND RESPONSES: BRIEFLY NOTED; IRAN-IRAQ PRISONER DEAL", by Nazila Fathi, New York Times, March 14, 2003
                            40.^ Clark, Alan Barbarossa: The Russian-German Conflict 1941-1945 page 206, ISBN 0-304-35864-9
                            41.^ a b "Soviet Casualties and Combat Losses in the Twentieth Century", Greenhill Books, London, 1997, G. F. Krivosheev, editor
                            42.^ Kriegsgefangene: Viele kamen nicht zurück - Politik - stern.de
                            Notes
                            Rule of Law in Armed Conflicts Project (RULAC)
                            John Hickman, "What is a Prisoner of War For?" Scientia Militaria: South African Journal of Military Studies. Vol. 36, No. 2. 20008. Pp. 19–35.
                            Full text of Third Geneva Convention, 1949 revision
                            "Prisoner of War" (CD Edition ed.). 2002.
                            Gendercide site
                            "Soviet Casualties and Combat Losses in the Twentieth Century", Greenhill Books, London, 1997, G. F. Krivosheev, editor.
                            "Keine Kameraden. Die Wehrmacht und die sowjetischen Kriegsgefangenen 1941-1945", Dietz, Bonn 1997, ISBN 3-8012-5023-7

                            [edit] Further reading
                            Roger DEVAUX : Treize Qu'ils Etaient - Life of the french prisoners of war at the peasants of low Bavaria (1939-1945) - Treize Qu'ils Etaient - Mémoires et Cultures - 2007 - ISBN 2-916062-51-3
                            Pierre Gascar, Histoire de la captivité des Français en Allemagne (1939-1945), Éditions Gallimard, France, 1967.
                            McGowran OBE, Tom, Beyond the Bamboo Screen: Scottish Prisoners of War under the Japanese. 1999. Cualann Press Ltd
                            Bob Moore,& Kent Fedorowich eds., Prisoners of War and their Captors in World War II, Berg Press, Oxford, UK, 1997.
                            David Rolf, Prisoners of the Reich, Germany's Captives, 1939-1945, 1998.
                            Richard D. Wiggers "The United States and the Denial of Prisoner of War (POW) Status at the End of the Second World War", Militargeschichtliche Mitteilungen 52 (1993) pp. 91–94.
                            Winton, Andrew, Open Road to Faraway: Escapes from Nazi POW Camps 1941-1945. 2001. Cualann Press Ltd.
                            The stories of several American fighter pilots, shot down over North Vietnam are the focus of American Film Foundation's 1999 documentary Return with Honor, presented by Tom Hanks.
                            Lewis H. Carlson, WE WERE EACH OTHER'S PRISONERS: An oral history of World War II American and German Prisoners Of War, 1st Edition.; 1997, BasicBooks (HarperCollins, Inc).ISBN 0-465-09120-2.
                            Arnold Krammer, NAZI PRISONERS OF WAR IN AMERICA; 1979 Stein & Day; 1991, 1996 Scarborough House. ISBN 0-8128-8561-9.
                            Alfred James Passfield, The Escape Artist; An WW2 Australian prisoner's chronicle of life in German POW camps and his eight escape attempts, 1984 Artlook Books Western Australia. ISBN 0 86445 047 8.
                            Rivett, Rohan D. (1946). Behind Bamboo. Sydney: Angus & Robertson. Republished by Penguin, 1992; ISBN 0-140-14925-2.
                            George G. Lewis and John Mewha , History of prisoner of war utilization by the United States Army, 1776-1945; Dept. of the Army, 1955.
                            Vetter, Hal, Mutine at Koje Island; Charles Tuttle Company, Vermont, 1965.
                            Jin, Ha, War Trash: A novel; Pantheon, 2004. ISBN 978-0375422768

                            [edit] External links
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                            The National Archives ADM 103 Prisoners of War 1755-1831
                            The National Archives 'Your Archives'
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                            Archive of WWII memories, gathered by BBC
                            POWs of WWII and their experiences
                            Bill/William Troughton's memories of being a POW in Rangoon, 1942-1945
                            Soviet Prisoners of War: Forgotten Nazi Victims of World War II
                            German POWs and the art of survival
                            Current status of Vietnam War POW/MIA
                            Australian POW FX Larkin NX43393 AIF. Detailed web site and rich resources.
                            CBC Digital Archives - Canada's Forgotten PoW Camps
                            German army list of Stalags
                            German army list of Oflags
                            Changi A.I.F. Ski Club
                            Colditz Oflag IVC POW Camp
                            Lamsdorf Reunited
                            Website (official) on New Zealand PoWs
                            New Zealand Official History, New Zealand PoWs of Germany, Italy & Japan
                            Essays on New Zealand PoWs of Germany, Italy & Japan
                            Essay on Escapes of New Zealand PoWs
                            Stoker Harold Siddall Royal Navy, captured on Crete 1941, and his life in Stalag VIIA
                            Notes of Japanese soldier in a USSR prison camp after WWII
                            China's burial of U.S. Korean War POW comes to light
                            Location of POW-camps in the Soviet Union
                            [hide]v • d • eParticular human rights

                            Civil and political Freedom from discrimination · Right to life · Right to die · Security of person · Liberty · Freedom of movement · Freedom from slavery · Personhood · Right to bear arms · Equality before the law · Adequate remedy · Freedom from arbitrary arrest and detention · Freedom from torture · Freedom from cruel and unusual punishment · Right to a fair trial · Presumption of innocence · Right of asylum · Nationality · Freedom from exile · Privacy · Freedom of thought and conscience · Freedom of religion · Freedom of expression (freedom of information) · Freedom of assembly · Freedom of association · Right to protest · Universal suffrage · Marriage · Family life

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                            Reproductive Family planning · Reproductive health · Abortion · Genital integrity · Freedom from involuntary female genital cutting

                            War and conflict Civilian · Combatant · Freedom from genocide · Prisoner of war

                            Note: What is considered a human right is controversial and not all the topics listed are universally accepted as human rights.


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                              So is your point that since we have a long and illustrious past of torturing, that it's OK to torture?
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                                Originally posted by kwame k
                                You copied the fucking whole Wiki, everything.......Wow, Thanks.

                                So is your point that since we have a long and illustrious past of torturing, that it's OK to torture?
                                If that's the case we should go back to subjugating women, discriminating/slavery for the minorities, forcing children to work, and a myriad of other things that we used to do but now realize are wrong.
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