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I like to hope that's true...it's probably bullshit, but for my own sanity I'll pretend I believe you.
The alternative is just too horrifying to me
The alternative is just too horrifying to me
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I don't know if it's "racist" what Crowley did in arresting Gates but by reading his statement, Crowley obviously isn't the sharpest tool in the shed to milk a cliche.
On the other hand is always a must too remember to NEVER let a cop inside of your house unless they have
1.) A warrant
Other than that by Constitutional Law, the police have no business being in your home.
Unless you called them there to report a crime scene (i.e., being robbed, house vandalism, that kind of deal), cast a complaint, or are being questioned from previous business with them it's more than wise to never, ever let a cop past your front door.
Reasons are well....they're cops! Usually when they come to your home say when someone complains about your loud stereo or whatever and you let them in from that moment on they're gathering information about you looking for something, anything they can either arrest or write a summons for. And they really don't need much of a excuse, either. Say if you love to cook and have green spices lying around they can arrest and search your home for reason of suspicion simply because oregano looks too much like the real thing.
True story: about three years ago I went to the aid of a severely depressed - and suicidal - friend who I believe was seriously going to waste himself. Naturally the police were called and when they showed up (3 squad cars, mind) one of the officers stayed with him as the other two roamed around the house going from room to room. When I had asked them what they were doing they told me this obvious bullshit: "Oh, we're just looking for objects so that he doesn't hurt himself with them." Really? I thought. The cop that stayed with him was in the kitchen where a maple block of butcher knives were in his reach.
When I told them they had no spoken permission to roam in the house is when they became antagonistic with me. They asked for my ID, where I lived, worked, what my age was, etc. When I didn't say a word and had to re-inform them that a highly suicidal person was the sole reason for them being here. All this did was enrage them more and they took me into a hallway and questioned me more on what did I have to hide? "Hide? It wasn't even my god damn house!
Now, by law, cops do have to identify themselves no matter what the situation. So I had asked for their ID's upon both which handed me their cards and I said I'd take this manner of their irreprehensible behavior up with their Sargent/superior (who, by the way, should have been there on a manner like this). I called the next day expecting nothing to come out of this and I was right but still I bitched. As for my friend? He was handcuffed and hauled off to the local E.R. where he got some help. That was the last I ever wanted anything to do with him.
Anyway, I bring that up because in most cases when a cop does come to your residence on a compliant made by another when they have no warrant for you to begin with it doesn't prevent them for looking for a reason to arrest you. Gates acted like an idiot - all he had to do was show properID, at his door, quit acting like an arrogant little bitch and have a little respect for the law he condescends to. Now I do wonder if Crowley was a black, Asian, Hispanic or even a Indian police officer would Gates be playing the race card such as he has? No one likes to be arrested in their home when they did nothing wrong other then being an asshole but Gates really isn't helping anyone out here but his own egotistical self - so he believes. Play the card all he wants it won't make others have respect for him or his case.Comment
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Very interesting and informative, Kristy.
Seeing how we meandered down enforcement and encounters.
Some PSAs
Disclaimer:
One should not break established laws. That would be wrong. One should report corrupt activities when observed.
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<object width="500" height="405"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/_Mk68AlhLO4&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x2b405b&color 2=0x6b8ab6&border=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/_Mk68AlhLO4&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x2b405b&color 2=0x6b8ab6&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="500" height="405"></embed></object>MICHAEL G. MULLENTo put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.Comment
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What a sentence! I do suppose I have vampire rules and LEO rules a bit mixed.
Let's try it again.
If for what ever reason an LEO is has been called to your residence he may pass through reasonable opening to in due coarse of his business.
If for whatever reason, a LEO has been called to your residence he or she may enter your home by use of any reasonable opportunity in due coarse of his or her investigation.Last edited by standin; 07-23-2009, 10:20 PM.MICHAEL G. MULLENTo put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.Comment
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To wander. To take an indirect course.
Most are not directly informed of their rights. Furthermore, we were not exactly discussing knowing rights during police encounters concerning contraband and other such activities.
These PSAs are good, but more sensible and less artsy ones are available.
Post 'em, if ya got 'em at hand.
I had a really frank and clear one, but it is in a old stick-drive file and I don't feel like digging through supremest propaganda to retrieve it or to google search for it.MICHAEL G. MULLENTo put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.Comment
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That's right...if the officer's version is accurate that is. If the cop shows up at a reported break-in, and the guy just retreats into the house without proving it's his...of course he can go in after him. What is he supposed to do, stand on the porch while somebody breaks into your house? What do people expect? Take Gates' word for it, because he's wearing a harvard sweater?
If what Gates said is true, it's a different story.
But for the president to throw in his two cents at this point is just more evidence he's a fucking moron.
Asshole, what is a "reasonable opportunity?" Due "coarse?"
No, a cop can't walk into your house any time they want. Doesn't matter whether they were called to the residence, or the door is open, or whatever. They need a 1) warrant or 2) exigent circumstances. You complete dumbass. Clown. Dickhead.Last edited by Blackflag; 07-24-2009, 12:39 AM.Comment
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Any more contradictions, dickhead?
Gates was already in his house and had been, he entered through the side door and had already called his lease company to complain. If the guy was white, the cop never would of followed him in and the officer's excuse of "procedure" sounds like utter shit. The call was based on the observations of a passing pedestrian, not on the residents..Comment
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This whole story is a crock of SHIT and is nothing more than an example of how an accomplished African-American Ivy League professor is trying to use his status to trump up a bullshit charge of racism against a cop.
Gates was embarrassed about being stupid and locking himself out of his own home, and his frustration over that stupidity boiled over into a confrontation with a cop who was responding to a legitimate call about breaking and entering.
This same scenario would have played out if the person was white. Black or white, if you start shit with a cop who's trying to help you, you'll get a pair of matching bracelets....period.
I'm not a huge fan of cops, generally speaking, but Officer Crowley is being forced to take a bite out of a big shit sandwich in this situation....and it sucks.
And Barack Obama should shut the fuck up until he knows all of the facts. And even after he knows all the facts...he should STILL shut the fuck up because this has nothing to do with him.
And if asked about it at a press conference, his answer should be "the local authorities in Cambridge are handling that matter, it is still under investigation, and I feel it's inappropriate to comment at this time."
Comments like the one he made about this situation are the reason why he should NEVER work off the cuff, and ALWAYS stick with the teleprompter he loves so much.
One thing I didn't see mentioned here, and is worth noting, is that Officer Crowley is the guy who desperately tried to save Boston Celtic's star Reggie Lewis when he collapsed and died in 1993.
Crowley was a campus cop at Brandeis University at the time, where Lewis collapsed during practice. Crowley gave vigorous CPR to try and save Lewis, but to no avail.
So I don't think that Crowley "has it in" for black people.
Everybody needs to get their head out of their ass on this one...Originally posted by perilouspete
fryingdutchman you pretty much own everyone.....sick comebacks, well put. top class wit.Comment
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