Moore: Americans are 'The Dumbest People on the Planet'

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Big Train
Angel,

We are a prideful people, we came from a band of people that said fuck you to another country and we earned all that we now enjoy.

Right, and you of all people should know then that it is time for another revolt! A Republican Senator from Texas, who didn't sign the evil "Patriot Act" stated that our forefathers, facing the same oppression we are facing today, would have already begun another revolution...

[Big Train]

Yea, I know evil when I see it. Please tell me exactly and in detail, what is evil about the Patriot Act. Where is the oppression. I ask because both "evil" and "oppression" are strong words, which should be used in appropriate circumstances.

I don't feel the need to revolt. I think people using the histrionics need to sit down and really think things through before going down these paths. In the last five years, there has been so many aging boomers throwing out wild accusations, hysteria and calls for revolt and protest, that having an educated, rationale conversation about politics almost impossible.

Let's discuss the issues and turn the histrionics down 4-5 notches.

[John Ashcroft]

Angel darling, I was specifically asking about this statement.

Originally posted by Angel
Michael Moore knows more about how the rest of the world views you than anyone else, IMO.

I'm still wondering what you base that on.

The rest of your posts kind of veer away from this generalization, and into Moore's appreciation of Canada... Which is fine... But I hardly consider knowing one country outside your own as "knowing the rest of the world's views".

So again, what do you base this generalization on?

[Angel]

Because he keeps his eyes and ears open. The US is not held in the highest regard by many nations. Americans are seen as boorish, rude and arrogant.

Many Americans now wear a maple leaf when travelling in Europe, not realizing that the shopkeepers still know they're Americans by their attitude.

JA, if you ask the average Joe citizen questions about countries other than the US, they won't know much, if anything at all. I don't know if it's through choice that people don't educate themselves regarding issues not in your country, or if it is the education system in general. I find that those of you who are well-travelled and take the time to actually learn a thing or two about the countries you are visiting are more open-minded and have a less prejudiced view of things.

Numerous times on these boards, it has been implied that if you're not an American, your view is irrelivant, and that your opinions will not be listened to unless they are pro-American. Therefore, many close their ears to the international communities views.

again, IMO , Mike Moore is one of those who DON'T close their ears to others' opinions. I have found that International entertainers are another group of US citizens who have a better idea of how your country is viewed by others.

I do, however, feel that if you are that unhappy in your own country, then you should move to the one that you like better. That is true of Michael Moore, and I know a few Canucks that I'd sure like to send your way. Don't worry JA, they're all ones that are Bush admirers, I wouldn't send you any of those crazy "liberals" we have up here!

Wow, you called me darling two days in a row... my pacemaker's going to be working overtime! :bottle:

[Satan]

Originally posted by Big Train


I will not let go of the anger. Bush pisses me off to no end with his lies and distortions, his pandering to foreign countries,(i.e.Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Pakistan) his complete disregard for those in the armed services and his complete and utter contempt for the average american. So fuck him...

[Satan]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Right, and you of all people should know then that it is time for another revolt! A Republican Senator from Texas, who didn't sign the evil "Patriot Act" stated that our forefathers, facing the same oppression we are facing today, would have already begun another revolution...

Ron Paul?

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Big Train
Yea, I know evil when I see it. Please tell me exactly and in detail, what is evil about the Patriot Act. Where is the oppression. I ask because both "evil" and "oppression" are strong words, which should be used in appropriate circumstances.

I don't feel the need to revolt. I think people using the histrionics need to sit down and really think things through before going down these paths. In the last five years, there has been so many aging boomers throwing out wild accusations, hysteria and calls for revolt and protest, that having an educated, rationale conversation about politics almost impossible.

Let's discuss the issues and turn the histrionics down 4-5 notches.

Well, I guess my first question is: Have you ever READ the Patriot Act? Specifically the parts where the FBI can now enter your home, without you even being there, and without a search warrant, take whatever they may want, leave, and never even have to let you know that they were there?
Can you say: Un con stit u tion al??

How about they part where they can herd us all into stadiums, just like cattle, (or better yet 'sheep') under the guise of 'protecting' us??

It doesn't sound like you've even begun to read the act, so stop talking to me about being educated, O.K.?

I'll take my histrionics over your ebonics anyday...

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Satan
Ron Paul?

Thank you. You are correct sir!

[Big Train]

Man satan you got me good!!! I have GOT to stop posting at 2AM. Take that statement as it was originally intended, put the word Moore in instead of Bush. And no, that was no freudian slip for all who may be wondering...

[Satan]

Ron Paul's actually a Congressman, not a Senator. And though he ran (and won) on a Republican ticket, his viewpoints are actually more Libertarian. But the man has done one HELL of a job in calling out the PNAC agenda on the floor of the House, and for that he definitely has the Devil's respect.

Here's a column that Congressman Paul published on his own website

Freedom vs. Security: A False Choice

In recent days administration officials have warned the nation about possible terrorist attacks, subjecting us once again to color-coded threat charts and puzzling admonitions to go about our lives as usual. The message is clear: grave danger surrounds us, but ordinary citizens should do nothing and trust the government take care of it.

But the obvious lesson of September 11th is that government cannot protect us. Even with trillions of tax dollars spent on “defense,” hijacked planes flew unchallenged over our skies and attacked national symbols of business and government. Yet now we’re told to put even more faith into the same bureaucracies that failed us so miserably in the past? Self-reliance and self-defense are American virtues; trembling reliance on the illusion of government-provided security is not.

It's easy for elected officials in Washington to tell Americans that government will do whatever it takes to defeat terrorism, but it’s your freedom and your tax dollars at stake- not theirs. The history of the 20th century demonstrates that the Constitution is violated most egregiously during times of crisis. Many of our worst unconstitutional agencies and programs began during the two world wars and the Depression, when the public was anxious and willing to view government as a savior and protector. Ironically, the Constitution itself was conceived in a time of great crisis. The founders intended to place inviolable restrictions on what the federal government could do even in times of great distress. America must guard against current calls for government to violate the Constitution- meaning break the law- in the name of law enforcement.

The misnamed Patriot Act, presented to the public as an anti-terrorism measure, actually focuses on American citizens rather than foreign terrorists. For example, the definition of "terrorism" for federal criminal purposes has been greatly expanded; future administrations may consider you a terrorist if you belong to a pro-gun group, a citizen militia, or a pro-life organization. Legitimate protest against the government could place you (and tens of thousands of other Americans) under federal surveillance. Similarly, your internet use can be monitored without your knowledge, and your internet provider can be forced to hand over user information to law enforcement without a warrant or subpoena.

The biggest problem with these new law enforcement powers is that they bear little relationship to fighting terrorism. Surveillance powers are greatly expanded, while checks and balances on government are greatly reduced. Most of the provisions have been sought after by domestic law enforcement agencies for years, not to fight terrorism, but rather to increase their police power over the American people. The federal government has made no showing that it failed to detect or prevent the September 11th attacks because of the civil liberties that will be compromised by this new legislation.

America was founded by men who understood that the threat of domestic tyranny is as great as any threat from abroad. If we want to be worthy of their legacy, we must resist the rush toward ever-increasing state control of our society. Otherwise, our own government will become a greater threat to our freedoms than any foreign terrorist.

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[Keeyth]

Are we listening Big Train? JA?

Satan has spoken! Hear, hear!!

[ODShowtime]

Is is really that hard to believe that most American's are stupid? All I need to do is drive down the street to know that most of us are complete fucking morons. That's no big mystery or proclamation or anything.

How else can you explain Spammy's career?

[Big Train]

Keeyth,

Bitch please....


I have read the Patriot Act. The rules of the game have changed. The terrorists are a mix of American citizens and foriegn nationals. You have to remove some of the barriers to find where they hide. You have to. If not, you are ignorant about how it all works.

Should I just take Ron Paul's advice, arm my house and sit with a shotgun everyday, because "Americans are self-reliant against terrorism?"

Are mistakes probably gonna happen, people get hassled who shouldn't and so forth? Absolutely. But I would rather have offended and outraged ALIVE americans than offended and outraged families of dead relatives anyday.

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Big Train
Keeyth,

Bitch please....


I have read the Patriot Act. The rules of the game have changed. The real terrorists are IN the White House, and I'm stupid enough to believe that we are under attack because the same asshole who screwed this counrty out of a fair election in 2000 told me we are.
Also, I am already a sheep because I support Bush, so being herded into stadiums or wherever doesn't bother me to much.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go get sheared. Baa-ah-ah-ah...

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Keeyth

Now who's the Bitch, Bitch??? :D