Moore: Americans are 'The Dumbest People on the Planet'

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  • John Ashcroft
    Veteran
    • Jan 2004
    • 2127

    #61
    Uh, according to the ACLU (not exactly a conservative organization, mind you) there have been exactly 0 abuses with the Patriot Act.

    I've posted a bit on this before in another thread.

    Now, Angel, I still don't buy your premise at all. I've been all over the world, and lived in Europe. Americans are considered "arrogant" in many European countries, but only because of the rampant jealousy that exists between Europe and America (and of course, Canadians are not exempt). It's really not that hard to get at the root of the problem either. All you have to do is ask a few questions, and it all comes out. I've talked this very issue with Germans, Dutch, Begiums, French, Brits, Canuks, Danes, Norwegiens, Italians, Greeks, Turks, Saudis, Iranians and even Chinese (albeit in New York, not China). And I'm still probably missing a few in there... Oh yeah, I am, Panamanians, Mexicans, Portugese, and Spainiards as well. (still may be missing a few).

    I've gotten to know quite a few people from each of these countries personally (mainly in their own countries, except the Chinese fellow I've gotten to know, and my Iranian room mate from College (exchange student)) . And you know what? They all seem to be annoyed not that we're "arrogant", but that the average American simply doesn't give a shit about what they have to say about anything. If you dig a bit deeper, and cut through some hefty misconceptions (like yours), you realize that most of them still admire the American spirit. Their politicians and intellectuals don't really like us because we don't buy that "enlightened socialism" bullshit. But still, the average European I've gotten to know really doesn't share Michael Moore's view of America.

    Now, where have you been?

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    • Angel
      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
      • Jan 2004
      • 7481

      #62
      Originally posted by John Ashcroft
      Now, where have you been?
      DDLR. Thread's here get too big for me, and I don't get my work done! Plus, I have a tendency to get into scraps with a certain member, and I got sick of it.
      Last edited by Angel; 08-13-2004, 03:00 PM.
      "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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      • Keeyth
        Crazy Ass Mofo
        • Apr 2004
        • 3010

        #63
        Originally posted by John Ashcroft
        Uh, according to the ACLU (not exactly a conservative organization, mind you) there have been exactly 0 abuses with the Patriot Act.

        You're missing the point. The point is they have coerced you into giving up those rights, and allowed them to have these new laws in place for when they are ready to rape the Constitution. 0 abuses? That makes itO.K. for them to still be able to abuse in the future??? WAKE UP!!
        Knowing and believing are two very different things.

        It is the difference between the knowledge we accrue... ...and the knowledge we apply.

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        • ODShowtime
          ROCKSTAR

          • Jun 2004
          • 5812

          #64
          How would anyone know about Patriot Act abuses when the whole thing is sheathed in secrecy? That's the whole point.
          Because we are American and we are supposed to know better than to trust the government.
          gnaw on it

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          • Big Train
            Full Member Status

            • Apr 2004
            • 4013

            #65
            Keeyth

            You still are and always will be the bitch. Nice way to edit my commentary. Liberals always have a way of bending statements and truths their way. Nice job with the demonstration above....

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            • Viking
              Veteran
              • Jan 2004
              • 1774

              #66
              There's a reason why Pig Dung needs bodyguards. I wouldn't even argue with that repulsive lump of fetid blubber. I'd just eviscerate him. There are just some people that simply don't deserve to breathe our air and consume resources.

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              • John Ashcroft
                Veteran
                • Jan 2004
                • 2127

                #67
                Originally posted by ODShowtime
                Because we are American and we are supposed to know better than to trust the government.
                Hey, you and I actually agree here! Why in the hell would anyone trust the government to specify what's best for them? So why do dems keep calling for government intervention for every single real or imaginary social ailment???

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                • Pink Spider
                  Sniper
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 867

                  #68
                  Originally posted by ODShowtime
                  How would anyone know about Patriot Act abuses when the whole thing is sheathed in secrecy? That's the whole point.
                  Because we are American and we are supposed to know better than to trust the government.
                  Section 215 prohibits tattling on the feds even if there's abuse.

                  So, just because there aren't any reported abuses doesn't make it so.

                  And isn't destroying the constitution abuse enough?

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                  • Big Train
                    Full Member Status

                    • Apr 2004
                    • 4013

                    #69
                    Not that any of you of the liberal persuasion are going to believe this argument, I will try anyway.

                    Section 215 is logical if you are actually talking about terrorists. Would you want it advertised to the suspect that we are on to them? Doesn't seem to logical to me and could threaten national security if a terrorist found out, closed up shop or rerouted things.

                    Secondly, if someones privacy was invaded and nothing was found, they would move on. What purpose does it serve to focus effort on a person known to have no connections?

                    I know the big scare is about abuses. If and when those abuses happen (and as of now, there have been none) we will deal with it.

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                    • Pink Spider
                      Sniper
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 867

                      #70
                      You miss the point. There is NO WAY for the general public to find out about such abuses. It's called a gag order for a reason.

                      Of course a police state would be effective, where they can spy on everyone with a touch of a button. I've read 1984. No thanks.

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                      • pete
                        Crazy Ass Mofo
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 3325

                        #71
                        Originally posted by davidbmc
                        If his work starts dialogues, raises questions, contains "some" tuth.

                        good for him
                        -------
                        uhhh.didn't hitler do allthose things too?
                        What's your point.

                        We have laws and liberties.

                        Liberty:Freedom of speech is one

                        Law:Murder is illeagal.

                        Words are just that. Words.

                        ouch.... that hurt

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                        • pete
                          Crazy Ass Mofo
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 3325

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Big Train
                          Oh but we can compare Bush to Hilter, Stalin..the BCE to the Third Reich, the one world domination theory....
                          uh, yeah!

                          They all had the same job.

                          Michael Moore's a film-maker.

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                          • pete
                            Crazy Ass Mofo
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 3325

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Big Train
                            Thats fantastic, cant wait till he is your problem, calling your country "Stupid" and generally lying about Canada and the evils of it.
                            I do it all the time.

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                            • Big Train
                              Full Member Status

                              • Apr 2004
                              • 4013

                              #74
                              Joseph Goebbels was a filmmaker as well...should I compare them because they had the same job?

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                              • Big Train
                                Full Member Status

                                • Apr 2004
                                • 4013

                                #75
                                Posted by Pink:

                                You miss the point. There is NO WAY for the general public to find out about such abuses. It's called a gag order for a reason.

                                Of course a police state would be effective, where they can spy on everyone with a touch of a button. I've read 1984. No thanks.

                                I understand your point, I am just offering the other side. I don't expect you to go for it, I'm just trying to say that is what they were shooting for.

                                It is an interesting problem. If we were to remove the Patriot Act, what would you propose in it's place to tackle the problem?

                                And please Ford, can you please refrain from BCE/OBL related rants...

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