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  • Va Beach VH Fan
    ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
    • Dec 2003
    • 17913

    AP publishes photo of Marine fatally wounded in battle

    I have to admit, I'm on the fence on this one...

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    Associated Press says photo of Lance Cpl. Joshua Bernard shows realities of war - St. Petersburg Times

    Associated Press says photo of Lance Cpl. Joshua Bernard shows realities of war

    Associated Press
    Posted: Sep 04, 2009 12 AM



    --------------------------------------------------------------------------In this photo taken Friday, Aug. 14, Lance Cpl. Joshua Bernard is tended to by fellow U.S. Marines after being hit by a rocket propelled grenade during a firefight against the Taliban in the village of Dahaneh in the Helmand province of Afghanistan. Bernard was transported by helicopter to Camp Leatherneck where he later died of his wounds.
    [Julie Jacobson | Associated Press]


    NEW YORK — The Associated Press is distributing a photo of a Marine fatally wounded in battle, choosing after a period of reflection to make public an image that conveys the grimness of war and the sacrifice of young men and women fighting it.

    Lance Cpl. Joshua M. Bernard, 21, of New Portland, Maine, was struck by a rocket-propelled grenade in a Taliban ambush Aug. 14 in Helmand province of southern Afghanistan.

    The image shows fellow Marines helping Bernard after he suffered severe leg injuries. He was evacuated to a field hospital where he died on the operating table.

    The picture was taken by Associated Press photographer Julie Jacobson, who accompanied Marines on the patrol and was in the midst of the ambush during which Bernard was wounded. She had photographed Bernard on patrol earlier, and subsequently covered the memorial service held by his fellow Marines after his death.

    "AP journalists document world events every day. Afghanistan is no exception. We feel it is our journalistic duty to show the reality of the war there, however unpleasant and brutal that sometimes is," said Santiago Lyon, the director of photography for AP.

    He said Bernard's death shows "his sacrifice for his country. Our story and photos report on him and his last hours respectfully and in accordance with military regulations surrounding journalists embedded with U.S. forces."

    Journalists embedded with U.S. forces in Afghanistan must sign a statement accepting a series of rules which among other things are designed to protect operational security and lives of the soldiers and Marines who are hosting them.

    Critics also maintain some of the rules are aimed at sanitizing the war, minimizing the sacrifice and cruelty which were graphically depicted by images from the Civil War to Vietnam where such restrictions were not in place.

    The rule regarding coverage of "wounded, injured, and ill personnel" states that the "governing concerns" are "patient welfare, patient privacy and next of kin/family considerations."

    "Casualties may be covered by embedded media as long as the service member's identity and unit identification is protected from disclosure until OASD-PA has officially released the name. Photography from a respectful distance or from angles at which a casualty cannot be identified is permissible; however, no recording of ramp ceremonies or remains transfers is permitted."

    Images of U.S. soldiers fallen in combat have been rare in Iraq and Afghanistan, partly because it is unusual for journalists to witness them and partly because military guidelines have barred the showing of photographs until after families have been notified.

    Jacobson, who was crouching under fire, took the picture from a distance with a long lens and did not interfere with Marines trying to assist Bernard.

    The AP waited until after Bernard's burial in Madison, Maine, on Aug. 24 to distribute its story and the pictures. An AP reporter met with his parents, allowing them to see the images.

    Bernard's father after seeing the image of his mortally wounded son said he opposed its publication, saying it was disrespectful to his son's memory. John Bernard reiterated his viewpoint in a telephone call to the AP on Wednesday.

    "We understand Mr. Bernard's anguish. We believe this image is part of the history of this war. The story and photos are in themselves a respectful treatment and recognition of sacrifice," said AP senior managing editor John Daniszewski.

    Jacobson, in a journal she kept, recalled Bernard's ordeal as she lay in the dirt while Marines tried to save their comrade with bullets overhead.

    "The other guys kept telling him 'Bernard, you're doing fine, you're doing fine. You're gonna make it. Stay with me Bernard!'" As one Marine cradled Bernard's head, fellow Marines rushed forward with a stretcher.

    Later, when she learned he had died, Jacobson thought about the pictures she had taken.

    "To ignore a moment like that simply ... would have been wrong. I was recording his impending death, just as I had recorded his life moments before walking the point in the bazaar," she said. "Death is a part of life and most certainly a part of war. Isn't that why we're here? To document for now and for history the events of this war?"

    Later, she showed members of his squadron all the images taken that day and the Marines flipped through them on her computer one by one.

    "They did stop when they came to that moment," she said. "But none of them complained or grew angry about it. They understood that it was what it was. They understand, despite that he was their friend, it was the reality of things."
    Last edited by Nickdfresh; 09-04-2009, 10:45 PM.
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  • sadaist
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jul 2004
    • 11625

    #2
    Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan

    Associated Press
    Posted: Sep 04, 2009 12:01 AM

    Can we do something about the damn clock always inserting a smiley face at the most inappropriate times?
    “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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    • kwame k
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Feb 2008
      • 11302

      #3
      Me too VA.......part of me has that old, bring the war home to America's living room, let them see the realities of war but............I think it's disrespectful to the loved ones to have to see how this unfortunate solider met his end.

      I'm on the fence here with ya.
      Originally posted by vandeleur
      E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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      • sadaist
        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
        • Jul 2004
        • 11625

        #4
        The main reason I would not have printed it is because the family requested that it not be. Other than that, how graphic do we need to be? I don't see any gory pictures of "bad guys" being printed by mainstream media outlets. And there's something about a persons last moments alive. Should it be pictured & shown to the world? It's kind of a personal and private moment for that person. If I were dying I don't think I'd want someone to take a picture of it & broadcast it out.
        “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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        • sadaist
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Jul 2004
          • 11625

          #5
          Originally posted by kwame k
          part of me has that old, bring the war home to America's living room, let them see the realities of war
          I can understand that. But on the flip side, why would they not show the splattered bodies of people from the twin towers that jumped? Bring the war home to America's living room...but also bring to their living room the reason we are there.

          I just don't think we need a picture to understand what it looks like when we hear this soldiers legs were blown off.
          “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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          • kwame k
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Feb 2008
            • 11302

            #6
            Originally posted by sadaist
            I can understand that. But on the flip side, why would they not show the splattered bodies of people from the twin towers that jumped? Bring the war home to America's living room...but also bring to their living room the reason we are there.

            I just don't think we need a picture to understand what it looks like when we hear this soldiers legs were blown off.
            Look up the thread that Sesh posted about the guy that jumped on 9/11. Great documentary and kinda puts a similar debate forward as here.

            Don't know Sadaist.......should it be an all or nothing proposition, total journalist freedom or a society/morality led decision on what to show. This one's a tough one for me, too many angles here.
            Originally posted by vandeleur
            E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49570

              #7
              Originally posted by sadaist
              Can we do something about the damn clock always inserting a smiley face at the most inappropriate times?
              I did...

              It's an awful photograph and I'm really sorry for him and his family...

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              • standin
                Veteran
                • Apr 2009
                • 2274

                #8
                I don't see anything shocking about it. It does not seem gory at all.
                It is always difficult for someone when a person dies.
                Many photos, recordings or artifacts of many things, acts or persons remind some people of difficulties in their lives.
                An up-close detailed picture, that glorified the act, like the ones you can easily find on the web, those are inappropriate and should be censored.
                That photo, maybe a big maybe, PG rated, but it is a documentary and should be rated as such.
                Children see much worse now, simply watching games.
                To put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.
                MICHAEL G. MULLEN

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                • kwame k
                  TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 11302

                  #9
                  Nice touch on the edit Nick.

                  Look some of the most iconic and disturbing photos have come from war or capturing a moment of tragedy/suffering........





                  And the one from 9/11



                  Should these photos have been suppressed?
                  Last edited by kwame k; 09-04-2009, 11:01 PM.
                  Originally posted by vandeleur
                  E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                  • standin
                    Veteran
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 2274

                    #10
                    Those two are very disturbing photos. The fact the person and persons is so easily identified in their suffering makes the photo shocking.

                    Those are more shocking.
                    To put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.
                    MICHAEL G. MULLEN

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                    • kwame k
                      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 11302

                      #11
                      Originally posted by standin
                      Those are more shocking.
                      For who?

                      Sadie brought up the game-set-match-point here......against the family's express wishes. My thing is the larger issues of when is too far and should there be a boundary.
                      Originally posted by vandeleur
                      E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49570

                        #12
                        Originally posted by sadaist
                        ...
                        I just don't think we need a picture to understand what it looks like when we hear this soldiers legs were blown off.

                        Then why is Saving Private Ryan a far more effective war film than say...GI Joe?

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                        • kwame k
                          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 11302

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                          Then why is Saving Private Ryan a far more effective war film than say...GI Joe?
                          ....or Schindler's List for that matter.
                          Originally posted by vandeleur
                          E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                          • standin
                            Veteran
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 2274

                            #14
                            Originally posted by kwame k
                            For who?

                            Sadie brought up the game-set-match-point here......against the family's express wishes. My thing is the larger issues of when is too far and should there be a boundary.
                            Guess it would depend... Which do you rate as most shocking and least shocking in the order of 1 to 4 of the 4 photos in the thread so far? With 1 being greater than 4.

                            What Sadie pointed out IS the key, no one should be allowed to publish a photo against a person's or their estates wishes. Unless in the best interest of public safety.
                            To put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.
                            MICHAEL G. MULLEN

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                            • kwame k
                              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 11302

                              #15
                              Don't rate any of them...they are all shocking and disturbing. Can't put a rating on the potential anguish those photos might of had on any of the loved ones who saw them.
                              Originally posted by vandeleur
                              E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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